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Post by JohnV on Oct 25, 2017 17:12:19 GMT
Just bought a new 30 day explorer licence on the phone (the internet signal here is so dire that it is almost impossible to do anything complicated) The longest and hardest part was trying to explain their own regulations to the person on the phone. "Your BSS certificate ?" ...... "don't have one" ........ you can't come on our waterways without one" ...... "Yes I can" ....... "Are you an unpowered vessel" ...... "No" ....... "Then without a BSS you can't come on our waterways" ......... "I am already on your waterway, with a valid licence that is about to run out and I don't have a BSS ". ................. very, very long pause during which you could hear the cogs rotating ......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:43:03 GMT
Just bought a new 30 day explorer licence on the phone (the internet signal here is so dire that it is almost impossible to do anything complicated) The longest and hardest part was trying to explain their own regulations to the person on the phone. "Your BSS certificate ?" ...... "don't have one" ........ you can't come on our waterways without one" ...... "Yes I can" ....... "Are you an unpowered vessel" ...... "No" ....... "Then without a BSS you can't come on our waterways" ......... "I am already on your waterway, with a valid licence that is about to run out and I don't have a BSS ". ................. very, very long pause during which you could hear the cogs rotating ...... The training of staff at the trust is diabolical, because it doesn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:44:21 GMT
Will you need to get a bss to stay there for the winter or is your intended winter berth out of CRT water?
I hate the BS scheme.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:48:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:51:11 GMT
Just bought a new 30 day explorer licence on the phone (the internet signal here is so dire that it is almost impossible to do anything complicated) The longest and hardest part was trying to explain their own regulations to the person on the phone. "Your BSS certificate ?" ...... "don't have one" ........ you can't come on our waterways without one" ...... "Yes I can" ....... "Are you an unpowered vessel" ...... "No" ....... "Then without a BSS you can't come on our waterways" ......... "I am already on your waterway, with a valid licence that is about to run out and I don't have a BSS ". ................. very, very long pause during which you could hear the cogs rotating ...... The training of staff at the trust is diabolical, because it doesn't happen. You need to have all the info before saying that. "Please note; if the boat spends more than 56 days on our waterways in any one year, it must have a certificate to show compliance with the Boat Safety Scheme requirements or a declaration of conformity with the EU's Recreational Craft Directive." So if John had previously bought a 30 day license and wants another one then the member of staff on the phone may have been correct
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 18:33:53 GMT
When the BSS came in I'm sure it was a calculated way to get rid of some of the more scruffy boats and boaters from the system by making their boats illegal despite the fact they posed no danger to anyone. I dislike this. However, due to being enormously wealthy (an aunt recently died leaving me another six hundred grand.. Yesss!) I have not had too much bother with the scheme.
As it happens in 25 years of boat ownership the only time I have ever paid another person to do anything on any of my boats has been BSS examiners. I do everything else myself. Oh there was the steel cabin I paid a boatyard to weld onto a boat but I don't talk about that as it caused me some psychological issues which my therapist has suggested I bury.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 25, 2017 18:45:20 GMT
When the BSS came in I'm sure it was a calculated way to get rid of some of the more scruffy boats and boaters from the system by making their boats illegal despite the fact they posed no danger to anyone. Just like all those people who drive old bangers over the speed limit with no MoT certificate, no brakes, bald tyres, broken exhaust pipe, filthy spark plugs and windscreen wipers that don't work (and with no screen wash in the container). No danger to anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 18:47:45 GMT
As far as I know consultations are only carried out because there is a legal requirement to carry out a consultation in certain circumstances.
As far as I know there is not a requirement to take any notice of anything written in a response to a consultation.
Rocket science?
Methinks not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 18:50:21 GMT
When the BSS came in I'm sure it was a calculated way to get rid of some of the more scruffy boats and boaters from the system by making their boats illegal despite the fact they posed no danger to anyone. Just like all those people who drive old bangers over the speed limit with no MoT certificate, no brakes, bald tyres, broken exhaust pipe, filthy spark plugs and windscreen wipers that don't work (and with no screen wash in the container). No danger to anyone. I know you like having a giggle but why compare boats to cars? Totally irrelevant. Cars pose quite a large risk to others if not maintained properly. Boats don't. Lets be honest. Before the BS scheme navigation authorities had the means to deal with dangerous boats.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 25, 2017 19:53:40 GMT
The training of staff at the trust is diabolical, because it doesn't happen. "Please note; if the boat spends more than 56 days on our waterways in any one year, it must have a certificate to show compliance with the Boat Safety Scheme requirements or a declaration of conformity with the EU's Recreational Craft Directive." So if John had previously bought a 30 day license and wants another one then the member of staff on the phone may have been correct But, . . . spending more than 8 weeks on C&RT controlled waters does not necessarily equate with buying two 30-day Explorer Licences.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 25, 2017 20:04:12 GMT
Just like all those people who drive old bangers over the speed limit with no MoT certificate, no brakes, bald tyres, broken exhaust pipe, filthy spark plugs and windscreen wipers that don't work (and with no screen wash in the container). No danger to anyone. I know you like having a giggle but why compare boats to cars? Totally irrelevant. Cars pose quite a large risk to others if not maintained properly. Boats don't. Lets be honest. The examiner who did my BSS told me that nothing in the examination was designed to protect me, it was all about protecting third parties, and with the gas and fuel systems taking up at least 50% of his visit I'd guess that is so.
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Post by kris on Oct 25, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
I know you like having a giggle but why compare boats to cars? Totally irrelevant. Cars pose quite a large risk to others if not maintained properly. Boats don't. Lets be honest. The examiner who did my BSS told me that nothing in the examination was designed to protect me, it was all about protecting third parties, and with the gas and fuel systems taking up at least 50% of his visit I'd guess that is so.yes, but did you show him your blade?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 20:09:27 GMT
The bss claims to be about protecting other people I know that but has it actually made any difference? Its not like roads where there are large numbers of fatal and non fatal accidents so obviously safety schemes have to be in place. Occasionally a boat might blow up in a lock or something. This still happens. There will be statistics and I suppose a single life saved is worth it but I think the BSS is bollocks personally .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 20:13:14 GMT
For example (rant removed)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 25, 2017 20:14:39 GMT
Just bought a new 30 day explorer licence on the phone (the internet signal here is so dire that it is almost impossible to do anything complicated) The longest and hardest part was trying to explain their own regulations to the person on the phone. "Your BSS certificate ?" ...... "don't have one" ........ you can't come on our waterways without one" ...... "Yes I can" ....... "Are you an unpowered vessel" ...... "No" ....... "Then without a BSS you can't come on our waterways" ......... "I am already on your waterway, with a valid licence that is about to run out and I don't have a BSS ". ................. very, very long pause during which you could hear the cogs rotating ...... John, . . unless you're going to go back into the canal at Goole for more than 3 days out of the coming month, then the 30-day Explorer Licence is much dearer than buying one of C&RT's phoney 'Rivers only' Licences for one month - £217.92 for the 30-day job, but £97.82 for the phoney 'Rivers only' job, which includes 72 hours FoC in the canals between Goole, Selby, and Keadby. Edit to add: The 30-day job, which is in fact 30 x tickets, each valid for one day that be used over a twelve month period, does begin to work out better on price if you use all thirty tickets over a three-month period, or longer. More editing to add:I've just seen from another thread that you're on a pontoon mooring at Naburn, John. If it's the one in the weir stream that you mentioned a few days ago then whilst you're tied on it you're technically out of the main navigable channel and therefore exempt from any obligation to buy any of C&RT's so-called 'Rivers only' Licences, or, come to that, any other sort of Licence.
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