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Post by Telemachus on Oct 27, 2017 23:12:11 GMT
. . . . . . . . . . . My point was that it is far easier to navigate than it was in the 70s and that is it. I know this because I struggled to navigate it in the 70s and now it is easy. Has it occurred to you that your boat handling skills just might have improved over the last 40 or so years, and that's what's fooling you into thinking that the cut is in a better state now than it was back then ? Has I occurred to you that the boats I was on in the 1970s was first a wooden centre cockpit cruiser that drew very little, and then an early purpose built leisure steel narrowboat that didnt draw that much either? And that the boat we have now draws considerably more? Has it occurred to you that you haven’t been on the BCN in the last 10 years or so, so you have no idea what has changed? You don’t know that the entire W&E is now quite deep. You don’t know that about 5 years ago the Daw End was dredged and it’s gone from a 2mph mud drag to a more normal 3.5mph cruise. You don’t know that the Ryder’s Green locks are in really good shape, ditto the Perry Barr, with the Rushall not far behind. And the Crow. And, as we discovered a few days ago, Spon Lane. Most of these locks are in far better condition than mainstream routes like the T&M. In fact, you are simply not in a position to have a valid opinion. I respect your opinions and advice on the likes of the Trent, but don’t spoil it by bullshitting on stuff about which you are ignorant.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 27, 2017 23:20:04 GMT
Thank goodness for small mercies! I’ve done 5mph on the main line (more, actually. But no breaking wash!). So go ahead, report me to the CRT traffic police, I’m so naughty. Have you seen the trip boats? They are pretty deep drafted. Telemachus is 2’ 8” thus quite a bit more than the average leisure boat. But not as much as the likes of Victoria, which is an ex working boat thingy and thus probably a fair bit more. Well I suppose not ex really. Anyway, I’ve no idea what your agenda is for wittering on about the soho loop. My point was that it is far easier to navigate than it was in the 70s and that is it. I know this because I struggled to navigate it in the 70s and now it is easy. I don’t give a shit what someone told someone who told someone’s Granny who told you that some trip boater was complaining that the soho loop needed dredging. Quelle surprise! Trip boat operators are always moaning about something. Have you even got a boat? Seems unlikely. I started wittering on because you started talking bollocks about the Soho loop being easy to navigate. To me an easy to navigate cut is easy to navigate for everyone, not just you. You also claimed it was a tourist route when in reality the only people who really use it are the folk at Hockley Port and the odd boat passing through. I can't comment on the state of it in the 70's as, tbh, I wasn't born till 81. My dad reckons it ain't far off as bad now, as Tony pointed out earlier to get stuck on an oil drum means a fair amount of depth. I personally find it astounding that you bitch and moan about people who break the rules and then admit that you do so as well, albeit in a way that suits you... Maybe consider that next you post here, or the other channel, about someone that has moored in a way that doesn't quite suit you. Yes, I do have a boat. I might not move through an area as quickly as you seem to but this year have covered the Shropy, Llangollen, Monty, T&M, Weaver, Bridgewater, Caldon, Cov, GU, Lee and the Stort. I'm just about to start heading back to the Midlands popping up the Aylesbury to see extended family before back on the BCN for Christmas with the family. I take my time as I like to see the areas I moor in, that for me is the point of this lifestyle. The soho loop is easy to navigate. If you stay reasonably in the middle and don’t want to be right at the edge. It is a tourist route because tourists use it. I have seen hire boats turning in/out of it. They are tourists. It sees considerably less traffic than the mainline but that is not too surprising. It sees far, far more traffic than it did in the 70s, because then it was virtually navigable. Therefore I was not talking bollocks. But you are. doing 5mph on a deep bit of canal whilst making very little wash is a victimless crime. Mooring so as to cause an obstruction is not. But it seems you condone selfish mooring. But I see now that your agenda is just to dis me because I complained on the other channel about a selfish CMer moored in a stupid place causing an obstruction. Clearly you think the chap,should have been allowed to do that in peace. So I have your measure and you can now piss off.
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Post by tecka on Oct 27, 2017 23:45:37 GMT
I started wittering on because you started talking bollocks about the Soho loop being easy to navigate. To me an easy to navigate cut is easy to navigate for everyone, not just you. You also claimed it was a tourist route when in reality the only people who really use it are the folk at Hockley Port and the odd boat passing through. I can't comment on the state of it in the 70's as, tbh, I wasn't born till 81. My dad reckons it ain't far off as bad now, as Tony pointed out earlier to get stuck on an oil drum means a fair amount of depth. I personally find it astounding that you bitch and moan about people who break the rules and then admit that you do so as well, albeit in a way that suits you... Maybe consider that next you post here, or the other channel, about someone that has moored in a way that doesn't quite suit you. Yes, I do have a boat. I might not move through an area as quickly as you seem to but this year have covered the Shropy, Llangollen, Monty, T&M, Weaver, Bridgewater, Caldon, Cov, GU, Lee and the Stort. I'm just about to start heading back to the Midlands popping up the Aylesbury to see extended family before back on the BCN for Christmas with the family. I take my time as I like to see the areas I moor in, that for me is the point of this lifestyle. The soho loop is easy to navigate. If you stay reasonably in the middle and don’t want to be right at the edge. It is a tourist route because tourists use it. I have seen hire boats turning in/out of it. They are tourists. It sees considerably less traffic than the mainline but that is not too surprising. It sees far, far more traffic than it did in the 70s, because then it was virtually navigable. Therefore I was not talking bollocks. But you are. doing 5mph on a deep bit of canal whilst making very little wash is a victimless crime. Mooring so as to cause an obstruction is not. But it seems you condone selfish mooring. But I see now that your agenda is just to dis me because I complained on the other channel about a selfish CMer moored in a stupid place causing an obstruction. Clearly you think the chap,should have been allowed to do that in peace. So I have your measure and you can now piss off. Woops, just liked your last post when I tried to hit quote😀 I'm not dissing you for complaining about the moored boat, it pisses me off when someone moors inconsiderately as well. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I'm not talking bollocks, I'm not saying hire boats never use the loop but it is in no way a tourist route. It's not very deep, the trip boats have used it for years, still want to but can't due to depth issues. Personally if you have to hold a tight line to stay in a channel and or certain boats can't use it, it's not that easy to navigate. Talking of speaking bollocks, Ryder's Green in really good shape? The last three times I've been through I've been stuck next to Asda (granted on their trollies) and the pound above 7 has been empty each time meaning running water to get through. Means I've got to know the chap who drinks at the lock landing really well though. It's been better since the summer stoppage last year but I certainly wouldn't say they are in really good shape. I have no personal grudge with you, we simply have different opinions of what is an acceptable navigation. You did, however seem to accuse me in your first response to my posts of being a CMer. Issues perhaps?
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 28, 2017 2:17:54 GMT
The soho loop is easy to navigate. If you stay reasonably in the middle and don’t want to be right at the edge. I cannot help wondering whether that means CaRT are complying with their statutory obligation repecting maintenance of a main navigable channel there?
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Post by kris on Oct 28, 2017 4:10:49 GMT
Anyway back on topic children, my point was that it seems even lesure boaters are getting agrevated by the current regime at Crt with all the 48hr moorings everywhere and climate of fear they are trying to create. It's not just the dreaded livaboards of nicks phobia ( you really should seek professional help) that aren't happy.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 28, 2017 6:56:38 GMT
The soho loop is easy to navigate. If you stay reasonably in the middle and don’t want to be right at the edge. It is a tourist route because tourists use it. I have seen hire boats turning in/out of it. They are tourists. It sees considerably less traffic than the mainline but that is not too surprising. It sees far, far more traffic than it did in the 70s, because then it was virtually navigable. Therefore I was not talking bollocks. But you are. doing 5mph on a deep bit of canal whilst making very little wash is a victimless crime. Mooring so as to cause an obstruction is not. But it seems you condone selfish mooring. But I see now that your agenda is just to dis me because I complained on the other channel about a selfish CMer moored in a stupid place causing an obstruction. Clearly you think the chap,should have been allowed to do that in peace. So I have your measure and you can now piss off. Woops, just liked your last post when I tried to hit quote😀 I'm not dissing you for complaining about the moored boat, it pisses me off when someone moors inconsiderately as well. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I'm not talking bollocks, I'm not saying hire boats never use the loop but it is in no way a tourist route. It's not very deep, the trip boats have used it for years, still want to but can't due to depth issues. Personally if you have to hold a tight line to stay in a channel and or certain boats can't use it, it's not that easy to navigate. Talking of speaking bollocks, Ryder's Green in really good shape? The last three times I've been through I've been stuck next to Asda (granted on their trollies) and the pound above 7 has been empty each time meaning running water to get through. Means I've got to know the chap who drinks at the lock landing really well though. It's been better since the summer stoppage last year but I certainly wouldn't say they are in really good shape. I have no personal grudge with you, we simply have different opinions of what is an acceptable navigation. You did, however seem to accuse me in your first response to my posts of being a CMer. Issues perhaps? Clearly my definition of a “tourist route” is different from yours. Which is fine, it is not an official term. Ryder’s green is not perfect and the trolleys below are a complete pain, even though they regularly get pulled out. The point is that these things are far, far better than they were in the 70s, and a lot better since CRT took over. You are simply not in a position to have a valid opinion on that because by your own admission you weren’t even born in the 70s. Similarly TD is not in a position to have a valid opinion because he hasn’t travelled the BCN in the last decade or two. You seemed to have an unhealthy interest in getting into the side, hence my CMer jibe.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 28, 2017 6:57:47 GMT
The soho loop is easy to navigate. If you stay reasonably in the middle and don’t want to be right at the edge. I cannot help wondering whether that means CaRT are complying with their statutory obligation repecting maintenance of a main navigable channel there? Is there a missing smiley?!
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 28, 2017 7:10:39 GMT
Anyway back on topic children, my point was that it seems even lesure boaters are getting agrevated by the current regime at Crt with all the 48hr moorings everywhere and climate of fear they are trying to create. It's not just the dreaded livaboards of nicks phobia ( you really should seek professional help) that aren't happy. This issue of 48 hr moorings crops up regularly. Nearly all the canal system is not restricted to 48 hrs. It is true that where someone has gone to the trouble and expense of putting in rings or bollards, which is usually near some feature such as a pub, shops, town centre etc, then mooring is limited to 48hrs - but that is as it should be. The purpose it to allow as many people as possible to have a short convenient stop. But for the other 99% of the system one can moor for 14 days. If the issue for these people you mention is that they are too lazy to put hooks or chains in piling, or knock in stakes, then I would say the boating life is definitely not for them and should scurry back to land ASAP. As to live aboard, you seem to still think I dislike them for some reason only you know, because I have never said anything like that, have repeatedly said you’re wrong on that matter, and of course plenty of our Hudson - owning friends are live aboard CCers. My only dislike is selfish and inconsiderate people who hog public resource and/or create a nuisance for others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 7:20:59 GMT
Anyway back on topic children, my point was that it seems even lesure boaters are getting agrevated by the current regime at Crt with all the 48hr moorings everywhere and climate of fear they are trying to create. It's not just the dreaded livaboards of nicks phobia ( you really should seek professional help) that aren't happy. This issue of 48 hr moorings crops up regularly. Nearly all the canal system is not restricted to 48 hrs. It is true that where someone has gone to the trouble and expense of putting in rings or bollards, which is usually near some feature such as a pub, shops, town centre etc, then mooring is limited to 48hrs - but that is as it should be. The purpose it to allow as many people as possible to have a short convenient stop. But for the other 99% of the system one can moor for 14 days. If the issue for these people you mention is that they are too lazy to put hooks or chains in piling, or knock in stakes, then I would say the boating life is definitely not for them and should scurry back to land ASAP. As to live aboard, you seem to still think I dislike them for some reason only you know, because I have never said anything like that, have repeatedly said you’re wrong on that matter, and of course plenty of our Hudson - owning friends are live aboard CCers. My only dislike is selfish and inconsiderate people who hog public resource and/or create a nuisance for others. Nearly all the canal is slowly becoming restricted by 48hr moorings owing to parry not maintaining anything other than 48hr moorings. Maintenance on the canal is deteriorating so obviously, that even the yearly spend justifies the statement.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 28, 2017 7:31:46 GMT
This issue of 48 hr moorings crops up regularly. Nearly all the canal system is not restricted to 48 hrs. It is true that where someone has gone to the trouble and expense of putting in rings or bollards, which is usually near some feature such as a pub, shops, town centre etc, then mooring is limited to 48hrs - but that is as it should be. The purpose it to allow as many people as possible to have a short convenient stop. But for the other 99% of the system one can moor for 14 days. If the issue for these people you mention is that they are too lazy to put hooks or chains in piling, or knock in stakes, then I would say the boating life is definitely not for them and should scurry back to land ASAP. As to live aboard, you seem to still think I dislike them for some reason only you know, because I have never said anything like that, have repeatedly said you’re wrong on that matter, and of course plenty of our Hudson - owning friends are live aboard CCers. My only dislike is selfish and inconsiderate people who hog public resource and/or create a nuisance for others. Nearly all the canal is slowly becoming restricted by 48hr moorings owing to parry not maintaining anything other than 48hr moorings. Maintenance on the canal is deteriorating so obviously, that even the yearly spend justifies the statement. Maybe it is in fat boat land, I don’t know -however there seems plenty of 14 day mooring in London. But around our way, there are vast swathes of piling which our relatively deep drafted boat has no problem mooring against. Perhaps if people want to stay in one small area that also happens to be short of piled bank, and the culture is not to moor stuck out a bit (unlike the KandA) then it could be an issue. But for folk who move around, it is not an issue. But anyway if you recall, my point in this argument was to point out that it is swings and roundabouts regarding maintenance. I am certainly not saying that maintenance including dredging is not sorely lacking in some areas, far from it. But in other areas there has been a big improvement under CRT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 7:40:43 GMT
Nearly all the canal is slowly becoming restricted by 48hr moorings owing to parry not maintaining anything other than 48hr moorings. Maintenance on the canal is deteriorating so obviously, that even the yearly spend justifies the statement. Maybe it is in fat boat land, I don’t know -however there seems plenty of 14 day mooring in London. But around our way, there are vast swathes of piling which our relatively deep drafted boat has no problem mooring against. Perhaps if people want to stay in one small area that also happens to be short of piled bank, and the culture is not to moor stuck out a bit (unlike the KandA) then it could be an issue. But for folk who move around, it is not an issue. But anyway if you recall, my point in this argument was to point out that it is swings and roundabouts regarding maintenance. I am certainly not saying that maintenance including dredging is not sorely lacking in some areas, far from it. But in other areas there has been a big improvement under CRT. Your just coming out with your usual wayward rubbish. Throwing silly little insults and make believe scenarios like confetti. You really do skip along the border of being a gallot at times. What a bore.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 28, 2017 7:45:10 GMT
Maybe it is in fat boat land, I don’t know -however there seems plenty of 14 day mooring in London. But around our way, there are vast swathes of piling which our relatively deep drafted boat has no problem mooring against. Perhaps if people want to stay in one small area that also happens to be short of piled bank, and the culture is not to moor stuck out a bit (unlike the KandA) then it could be an issue. But for folk who move around, it is not an issue. But anyway if you recall, my point in this argument was to point out that it is swings and roundabouts regarding maintenance. I am certainly not saying that maintenance including dredging is not sorely lacking in some areas, far from it. But in other areas there has been a big improvement under CRT. Your just coming out with your usual wayward rubbish. Throwing silly little insults and make believe scenarios like confetti. You really do skip along the border of being a gallot at times. What a bore. You clearly have no valid counter argument. As usual.
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Post by bodger on Oct 28, 2017 7:48:40 GMT
I would need my knife if I ever went on TellyMackus's boat because I would have an uncontrollable urge to pick all of the fake rivets off. You’d be struggling to cut through steel with a knife. But give it a try by all means. Maybe one of those electric carving knives popular in the 1970s? don't believe him. they are made from MDF.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 7:58:22 GMT
Your just coming out with your usual wayward rubbish. Throwing silly little insults and make believe scenarios like confetti. You really do skip along the border of being a gallot at times. What a bore. You clearly have no valid counter argument. As usual. I don't believe it's possible to counter any argument that tends to constantly move, or change shape.
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Post by bodger on Oct 28, 2017 7:58:45 GMT
Nearly all the canal is slowly becoming restricted by 48hr moorings owing to parry not maintaining anything other than 48hr moorings. Maintenance on the canal is deteriorating so obviously, that even the yearly spend justifies the statement. so are you saying that if the canal bank is not nice and straight and firm and vertical, and there is a paucity of depth adjacent to the same, and the towpath is at an inconvenient level, and nasty trees shrubs and brambles are present to interfere with your freedom, then you are incapable of mooring there? get a life - get a boarding plank - get a sickle - get an anchor or two. I go boating principally to enjoy the natural calm beauty of the waterways, why do you go boating?
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