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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 8:49:00 GMT
I keep hearing the above refrain.
The community spirit's gone from boaters, a driving mentality is prevelant, everybody just wants to rush around, there's no boating knowledge left, there's no respect for history, and similar statements appear to be a constant theme.
The thing is, I'm sure I was hearing the same refrain back in the early nineties, and at that time I was all bright eyed and eager to be boating.
I've always been inclined towards the view, that no matter how bad things are, today is going to be somebody's 'good old days'.
I'm still in love with boating, and whilst in life, there are always occasional annoyances, overall the life remains idyllic to me.
What's your view? Am I overly naive, or are the rest just grumpy?
Rog
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2017 8:57:37 GMT
The loss of the feeling of community seems to be quite a prevalent feeling. It might be because if you do meet good people your probably only going to be moored up for 48hrs together.
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Post by quaysider on Oct 31, 2017 9:31:49 GMT
I hope I've beaten foxy here....
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Post by patty on Oct 31, 2017 13:39:38 GMT
I keep hearing the above refrain. The community spirit's gone from boaters, a driving mentality is prevelant, everybody just wants to rush around, there's no boating knowledge left, there's no respect for history, and similar statements appear to be a constant theme. The thing is, I'm sure I was hearing the same refrain back in the early nineties, and at that time I was all bright eyed and eager to be boating. I've always been inclined towards the view, that no matter how bad things are, today is going to be somebody's 'good old days'. I'm still in love with boating, and whilst in life, there are always occasional annoyances, overall the life remains idyllic to me. What's your view? Am I overly naive, or are the rest just grumpy? Rog Dunno about boaters cos Im no longer part of that community but I try to be helpful and pleasant to everyone who lives round here...don't always work...but I'm content and it gives a real happy feeling when folks are sociable and you feel you belong.
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Post by alex on Oct 31, 2017 15:20:11 GMT
Is the canal scene less friendly ? Remember cwdf not so log ago , the biggest canal forum on the net , was not excactly a love fest was it , I began to meet to many people along the canals that seemed to have the mindset of many people on that site , sold the boat before I ended up throwing some moaning twat in the cut , not paying their way , their boat is very untidy and the most outrageous was a suggestion that people who lived aboard with a couple of children should be reported to social services , why I don't know , I talked to both parents said hello to the children who loved the canal and boating but it seems that seeing others happy really gets the miserable bastards down.
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2017 15:24:49 GMT
The loss of the feeling of community seems to be quite a prevalent feeling. It might be because if you do meet good people your probably only going to be moored up for 48hrs together. In 'the good old days' boaters regularly used to beat each other up. Broken teeth, black eyes. And they used to get up early to beat other boaters to the highest wages - the more you carried and the quicker you carried it, the more you got paid. Just like lorry drivers and bus drivers squabbling over double-pay overtime on Sundays in present times. so what you saying foxy next time we meet you want to fight me just like the good old days.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 31, 2017 17:12:05 GMT
Things are what they used to be in that the canals reflect a microcosm of life in general. When general attitudes change, so does canal culture. Yes there seems to be more selfishness and ignorance around, but there are still some lovely people on the cut. Me, for instance.
I think that what has changed is that for a brief period under BW, linear housing estates were allowed to proliferate, but that was a new phenomena in the 80s and 90s. (1980s and 1990s, in case you were wondering). It wasn’t prevalent before that. Now it is getting harder to live on a linear housing estate / hippy colony/ aquatic squat due to CRT’s enforcement of “the rules”. So those moaning about their losses have very short memories and/or no knowledge of what happened before their freeloading lives.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 17:53:52 GMT
Is the canal scene less friendly ? Remember cwdf not so log ago , the biggest canal forum on the net , was not excactly a love fest was it , I began to meet to many people along the canals that seemed to have the mindset of many people on that site , sold the boat before I ended up throwing some moaning twat in the cut , not paying their way , their boat is very untidy and the most outrageous was a suggestion that people who lived aboard with a couple of children should be reported to social services , why I don't know , I talked to both parents said hello to the children who loved the canal and boating but it seems that seeing others happy really gets the miserable bastards down. Have to say that it is good to see a few young families on the canal. More on the GU, I think, than most canals. And foxy, I may be in my dotage, but even I'm not old enough to remember working boat traffic and the fights over locks. Rog
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Post by airedaleman on Nov 1, 2017 15:32:05 GMT
I believe there has been the odd altercation in recent times at places like Fradley. Canals and boating have always had miserable sods on them and boatmen who didn’t give way to anyone. One boatman with a bolinder engine used to stop above a lock or below a lock and leave the gates open and the paddle gear up any noise and in the engine hole where the blow lamp was left ticking over and away they went. We used to try and creep up and get ahead of him but it only made for bad feeling so didn’t bother. Most were very helpfull to us amateurs but the odd one would have loved a fight. I went over to the continent in 2000 because to me things were just to busy and the shining boat brigade had no concept of why we had an old commercial boat and no idea of what we had all done to try and keep the waterways open and worked to reopen closed waterways. Now the same thing is happening there with an influx of mega buck Pipers pretend barges brought by people as their first boat but who have read the book and know everything. They don’t talk to us uns with genuine old barges but only to each other. thats enough but really it’s good to be a grumpy old sod anyway.
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2017 15:39:41 GMT
Eh, when bread was 2d a pint and cheese 3 groats a peck, life was 'ard but we were 'appy. When th'oss was lame t'wife used to get inth'arness. Watter in't cut? Luxury!
I suppose there are more people on the cut than in days of yore, so while there may be more unhappy whingers there may also be more who are happy and just carry on boating.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 1, 2017 17:04:20 GMT
I keep hearing the above refrain. The community spirit's gone from boaters, a driving mentality is prevelant, everybody just wants to rush around, there's no boating knowledge left, there's no respect for history, and similar statements appear to be a constant theme. The thing is, I'm sure I was hearing the same refrain back in the early nineties, and at that time I was all bright eyed and eager to be boating. I've always been inclined towards the view, that no matter how bad things are, today is going to be somebody's 'good old days'. I'm still in love with boating, and whilst in life, there are always occasional annoyances, overall the life remains idyllic to me. What's your view? Am I overly naive, or are the rest just grumpy? Rog Well, I've only had my boat three years so I can't make comparisons with the past. But there is more community spirit on my mooring than in anywhere else I have ever lived in all of my 55 years of house dwelling. And although I have had to threaten to knife a handful of boaters I've encountered while cruising, they have been outnumbered 10 to 1 by cheery and friendly souls.
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