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Post by tadworth on Oct 31, 2017 20:51:21 GMT
People running engines and generators at moorings is boiling my piss, WTF do they need all this power for ? HTF can you need 8 hours charging a day ? Why do some people think its OK to disturb their neighbours, and pump toxic exhaust smoke at them all day just because they are on a boat ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 21:07:26 GMT
Throw it in the drink, it will be pretty quiet then 👍🍻⚓🚢 I got revved up one cold February night with two selfish cunts in an Escort van running a frame Genny in a quarry up in the Hafren forest. Wankers had it on running a fan heater to keep the little cherubs warm. I stomped over in my boxers and motocross boats at twat o clock in the morning to shut it off, couldn't find the kill switch but did find the fuel tap which was better as it gave me a chance to get back to my van and enjoy the sound of it spluttering to a halt Next morning while queueing up for scrutineering I caught the tale end of a conversation the lads in front where having, they were moaning that some prick had turned their genny off and had woken up cold. A quick Tap on the shoulder and I introduced myself 👍 I'm not a big hairy arsed lad by any means, but, I can argue my corner well - I also was mate's with most of the lads running the event, knob head had a tough time signing on and scrutineering once we all knew he was the wanker ruining the peace and quiet
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 23:38:26 GMT
I suspect it's the curse of what johnv calls the idiot lantern.
Invariably when I hear an engine/genny running out of hours, the tv is the purpose.
I don't really care, but why moor near other boats? There are many miles of splendid isolation after all.
Rog
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Post by tomsk on Nov 1, 2017 1:39:41 GMT
Noise pollution, regardless of source or context impacts peoples lives, almost universally negatively.
Everyone should have a right to 'a bit of peace and quiet' once behind their own door, whether living/boating in Stoke Newington or Stoke Bruerne.
I'm all in favour of and strongly support the concept of the socialist libertarian paradigm, the proviso being that every one understands that one mans right to run a gen-set/practice his paradiddles out of hours or in a poorly-considered location deprives the second man of his right not to have to listen to it.
At least on a boat you can cast off.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 1, 2017 4:33:13 GMT
Sabina H has a lot of electrical items and although I have a 1Kw solar array. on overcast days I need to run a generator. The system was set up as a summer cruising/winter mooring with the expectation of shore power for the winter. To truly be set up for winter off grid I would need at least a double size battery bank and a much larger charger to get the bulk charge in quicker. Longer nights and more overcast days mean I often have to run a generator for several hours a day. They are however built into the engine room so it is only the exhaust noise that can be heard outside and that is not noticeable at any sensible distance. The generator goes on about 9 ish and apart from battery charging gets used for either dishwasher or washing machine/tumble dryer and runs for maybe 2 or 3 hours then often on again in the evening about 5 ish for maybe an hour depending on what cooking I am doing.
I do not run the generator at night unless at anchor where I need to keep the radar running (big user of electrickery) plus radios, GPS, anchor light, deck floods etc plus inumerable cups of coffee for the watchkeeper.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 1, 2017 8:08:39 GMT
The point is that there are generators - and generators. Anyone with a frame generator that is barely silenced is a selfish cunt. They can be heard for miles and drive everyone in the vicinity mad. Ditto boat engines that you need to wear ear defenders to drive. A suitcase generator with “smart throttle” thingy is so much less obtrusive, ditto a properly silenced boat engine. And of course a properly cocooned built-in generator is the way to go if you care about other people.
But unfortunately there are too many “free spirit” hipstaaaa types for whom personal liberty is the most important thing. Well, just their personal liberty of course, not anyone else’s.
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2017 8:56:15 GMT
The point is that there are generators - and generators. Anyone with a frame generator that is barely silenced is a selfish cunt. They can be heard for miles and drive everyone in the vicinity mad. Ditto boat engines that you need to wear ear defenders to drive. A suitcase generator with “smart throttle” thingy is so much less obtrusive, ditto a properly silenced boat engine. And of course a properly cocooned built-in generator is the way to go if you care about other people. But unfortunately there are too many “free spirit” hipstaaaa types for whom personal liberty is the most important thing. Well, just their personal liberty of course, not anyone else’s. so if you've got the money to afford a fully silenced generator, you don't have to abide by the bylaws then and can run it at any time?
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Post by JohnV on Nov 1, 2017 9:05:18 GMT
The point is that there are generators - and generators. Anyone with a frame generator that is barely silenced is a selfish cunt. They can be heard for miles and drive everyone in the vicinity mad. Ditto boat engines that you need to wear ear defenders to drive. A suitcase generator with “smart throttle” thingy is so much less obtrusive, ditto a properly silenced boat engine. And of course a properly cocooned built-in generator is the way to go if you care about other people. But unfortunately there are too many “free spirit” hipstaaaa types for whom personal liberty is the most important thing. Well, just their personal liberty of course, not anyone else’s. so if you've got the money to afford a fully silenced generator, you don't have to abide by the bylaws then and can run it at any time? Hmmm !!! sorry Kris on this occasion I agree with Nick ....... It's not a matter of what you can afford, it's about do you annoy your neighbours .......If the neighbours can't hear your generator then you are not causing a noise problem and that is what the bylaw (I thought it was a recommendation ?) was designed to stop
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 1, 2017 9:06:37 GMT
The point is that there are generators - and generators. Anyone with a frame generator that is barely silenced is a selfish cunt. They can be heard for miles and drive everyone in the vicinity mad. Ditto boat engines that you need to wear ear defenders to drive. A suitcase generator with “smart throttle” thingy is so much less obtrusive, ditto a properly silenced boat engine. And of course a properly cocooned built-in generator is the way to go if you care about other people. But unfortunately there are too many “free spirit” hipstaaaa types for whom personal liberty is the most important thing. Well, just their personal liberty of course, not anyone else’s. so if you've got the money to afford a fully silenced generator, you don't have to abide by the bylaws then and can run it at any time? No, I didn’t say that. Well only in passing when I was reminding you how much you said you enjoyed having sex with babies. The fact that generators can only be run from 8 to 8 is not carte blanche to make an unnecessary and unreasonable amount of noise and spoil other people’s peace - at any time of the day. Well I suppose it is if you are a selfish and inconsiderate cunt.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 1, 2017 9:09:11 GMT
so if you've got the money to afford a fully silenced generator, you don't have to abide by the bylaws then and can run it at any time? No, I didn’t say that. Well only in passing when I was reminding you how much you said you enjoyed having sex with babies. The fact that generators can only be run from 8 to 8 is not carte blanche to make an unnecessary and unreasonable amount of noise and spoil other people’s peace - at any time of the day. Well I suppose it is if you are a selfish and inconsiderate cunt. I withdraw my comment about agreeing with Nick ....... I'm not getting involved in stupidity
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2017 9:09:28 GMT
so if you've got the money to afford a fully silenced generator, you don't have to abide by the bylaws then and can run it at any time? Hmmm !!! sorry Kris on this occasion I agree with Nick ....... It's not a matter of what you can afford, it's about do you annoy your neighbours .......If the neighbours can't hear your generator then you are not causing a noise problem and that is what the bylaw (I thought it was a recommendation ?) was designed to stop generators can be run between 8-8, it doesn't say you can run them out of these hours if it's silenced. I'm not condoning people being noise polluters, but I also wouldn't comdome people running there silent generators out of these hrs. There are exceptions of course to do with safety.
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2017 9:10:55 GMT
so if you've got the money to afford a fully silenced generator, you don't have to abide by the bylaws then and can run it at any time? No, I didn’t say that. Well only in passing when I was reminding you how much you said you enjoyed having sex with babies. The fact that generators can only be run from 8 to 8 is not carte blanche to make an unnecessary and unreasonable amount of noise and spoil other people’s peace - at any time of the day. Well I suppose it is if you are a selfish and inconsiderate cunt. yes Nick what ever you say, are you bored on the boat again.
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2017 9:37:26 GMT
You two could get a room and be bored together? Um let me think about that, no I'm not that bored.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:51:05 GMT
My mate has an exceptionally well silenced engine. It is extraordinarily quiet. He suffers sleep apnea and consequently has to wear a breathing mask whilst in bed at night. This equipment uses quite a bit of power, so he likes to run his engine last thing before bed to ensure he doesn't kill his batteries overnight. Knowing this, he endeavours to moor where no one will hear his engine. The problem is that there is no such thing as a silent engine or generator. Some people are very attuned to background noise, and he has had people knock and ask him to switch off. The only judge of what constitutes a noise nuisance, are the receivers. Many people run eberspachers and inboard generators at all hours, even though they are often as noisy as a well silenced engine. Maybe if we all stopped looking for what annoys us in others, and focussed more on how we can avoid causing annoyance, there'd be no need for these threads. At the moment I'd be happy moored next to a noisy generator if I was on the boat Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 1, 2017 9:58:15 GMT
My mate has an exceptionally well silenced engine. It is extraordinarily quiet. He suffers sleep apnea and consequently has to wear a breathing mask whilst in bed at night. This equipment uses quite a bit of power, so he likes to run his engine last thing before bed to ensure he doesn't kill his batteries overnight. Knowing this, he endeavours to moor where no one will hear his engine. The problem is that there is no such thing as a silent engine or generator. Some people are very attuned to background noise, and he has had people knock and ask him to switch off. The only judge of what constitutes a noise nuisance, are the receivers. Many people run eberspachers and inboard generators at all hours, even though they are often as noisy as a well silenced engine. Maybe if we all stopped looking for what annoys us in others, and focussed more on how we can avoid causing annoyance, there'd be no need for these threads. At the moment I'd be happy moored next to a noisy generator if I was on the boat Rog Low frequency rumble does travel far, especially through water. So you could for example struggle to hear an engine or genny running when standing next to the boat, whilst it could be quite annoying inside an adjacent boat.
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