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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 17:43:42 GMT
Just been reading this www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42092171I'm not a fan of the more recent apprenticeships as they seem to me to be a form of cheap labour, the fact that a lot of employers who didn't have to contribute to the costs or release an apprentice for at least 1 day a week now don't want to take part in the scheme indicates to me that something is wrong. Any thoughts... |
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Post by patty on Nov 23, 2017 17:59:55 GMT
When my troubled son went through school I think it would have helped him train...but there were none then.
My brother had apprenticeship in the 70's with Man Egertons(prob spelt wrong) and he trained as a car mechanic and did very well until he tried to go into business for himself.
We are losing skills and I think need decent apprenticeships to bring them back and i speak as one who has struggled for years with this cottage and couldn't get skilled labour...we need apprenticeships...proper ones...
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 23, 2017 19:26:44 GMT
I did (part of) a 4 year one in the late 70's and the old boys used to take the piss and tell us we'd never learn anything in such a short time.
4 weeks now I expect. Who are they kidding! It's a re-election con done purely for impressive numbers to quote at idiots. The idiots being floating voters who don't really give a shit but feel they should vote in a pin the tail on the donkey kind of way and in doing so, despite utter political disinterest and/or ignorance decide all our futures.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 19:32:05 GMT
I did (part of) a 4 year one in the late 70's and the old boys used to take the piss and tell us we'd never learn anything in such a short time. 4 weeks now I expect. Who are they kidding! It's a re-election con done purely for impressive numbers to quote at idiots. The idiots being floating voters who don't really give a shit but feel they should vote in a pin the tail on the donkey kind of way and in doing so, despite utter political disinterest and/or ignorance decide all our futures. I don't believe you - well I did expect a better reply from you... |
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 23, 2017 19:34:55 GMT
I did (part of) a 4 year one in the late 70's and the old boys used to take the piss and tell us we'd never learn anything in such a short time. 4 weeks now I expect. Who are they kidding! It's a re-election con done purely for impressive numbers to quote at idiots. The idiots being floating voters who don't really give a shit but feel they should vote in a pin the tail on the donkey kind of way and in doing so, despite utter political disinterest and/or ignorance decide all our futures. I don't believe you - well I did expect a better reply from you... I think you'll find that was an excellent reply! Let me know where I fell short and I'll try harder next time.  |
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Post by Andyberg on Nov 23, 2017 20:46:38 GMT
My daughter started a 3 year apprenticeship at GSK a few months ago, proper day release and proper salary / annual leave etc all in all she (and I ) is very pleased with how it's going!
I served a full apprenticeship in the early 80's, never had a single day out of work and confident I could walk straight into another job doing my trade straight away if needed,
my 4 pals who did joinery, bricklaying, electronic engineering and shipwrighting/boatbuilding apprenticeships are all in similar positions!
I'm all for apprenticeships.
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Post by patty on Nov 24, 2017 5:51:13 GMT
Apprenticeships will work if they are set up right and give the trainee a wage and chance to go college...it can be the best of both worlds..skill based hands on and the theory to go with it.
Like all theses brilliant ideas its open to 'tweak age' which is often not to the trainees benefit....we so need skilled workmen not cowboys...
Id have loved to encourage apprentices to help here....had one..an electrician who came unsupervised(his boss was out making money elsewhere) and this apprentice made mistakes which Ive dragged his boss back to sort...he now won't come(the boss) and stuff still unresolved and waiting(I'm patient)..meanwhile the apprentice got so disillusioned maybe due to lack of support he finished and ditched in favour of being a chef.....I think he was out of his depth and just couldn't do the work and didn't get the support.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 7:55:08 GMT
My daughter started a 3 year apprenticeship at GSK a few months ago, proper day release and proper salary / annual leave etc all in all she (and I ) is very pleased with how it's going! I served a full apprenticeship in the early 80's, never had a single day out of work and confident I could walk straight into another job doing my trade straight away if needed, my 4 pals who did joinery, bricklaying, electronic engineering and shipwrighting/boatbuilding apprenticeships are all in similar positions! I'm all for apprenticeships. I'm all for proper apprenticeships and they are obviously out there. What your daughter is doing sounds more like a traditional apprenticeship and should be encouraged. Just spent half an hour searching for some details about current apprenticeships being offered through job sites - some pay £3.50 hr and suggest that formal training can be done online during your own time (there are also some good ones as well). |
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Post by bodger on Nov 24, 2017 8:53:32 GMT
I did a 3 year uni course in civil engineering and learned next to nothing. I then signed up with a major contractor to do what amounted to a post-graduate apprenticeship. It was the making of me.
Proper apprenticeships are brilliant, and should be considered the norm for all skills and professions. The only way to learn is on the job, several different jobs, over several years.
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