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Post by bargemast on Jan 6, 2018 15:58:13 GMT
Thanks a lot Peter you had more success than me. It's too bad I didn't manage to get the photo the right way up, even while having tried several photo hosting sites. The chain you have looks a bit small for the gypsy of your winch, or is that a photographic illusion ? By looking at your winch I think that you'll have to wind your handle 4 to 5 time for 1 turn of the gypsy, so with the reduction of that motor of the ad it would take forever or possibly longer to get your anchor up, unless you install a bunch of gears, sprockets and chains etc. Peter.
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Post by kris on Jan 6, 2018 16:00:29 GMT
The chain is matched well to the gypsy , yes it would need gearing whatever option I go for.
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Post by Stumpy on Jan 6, 2018 16:13:36 GMT
Here you go lads
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Post by bargemast on Jan 6, 2018 16:14:26 GMT
Great job Stumpy, I knew that there would be at least someone that could put it up right.
You're the man, congrats.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jan 6, 2018 16:39:33 GMT
Yes thank you very much stumpy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 20:32:39 GMT
If it could be geared to the drive pinion on your winch then maybe the motor in your link would work but how would this be achieved? Belts, chains or maybe a gearbox of some sort. It would need some sort of freewheel I would have thought to allow the chain to run out over the gypsy quickly, like a big version of a bicycle free wheel. Or an electric clutch but that's going to be expensive. I'm not familiar with motorised winches of that sort but its an interesting project I suppose the other approach would be to buy a more common heavy duty electric anchor windlass if you want to automate anchor useage. Might be more reliable.
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Post by kris on Jan 6, 2018 20:51:26 GMT
If it could be geared to the drive pinion on your winch then maybe the motor in your link would work but how would this be achieved? Belts, chains or maybe a gearbox of some sort. It would need some sort of freewheel I would have thought to allow the chain to run out over the gypsy quickly, like a big version of a bicycle free wheel. Or an electric clutch but that's going to be expensive. I'm not familiar with motorised winches of that sort but its an interesting project I suppose the other approach would be to buy a more common heavy duty electric anchor windlass if you want to automate anchor useage. Might be more reliable. It would be achieved chains and cogs, one of the reasons I liked that motor is because it has a way of disengaging the motor so you could hand wind it as well. But looking at it I think the motor on eBay is too big.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 21:08:47 GMT
I think the reference to hand winding is that you can physically wind the motor which in turn will wind whatever the motor is turning. This seems a lot harder to do than freely winding it (the original winch) with the handle as designed. It's not a clutch on the output.
I reckon that could be very hard work?
Why do you want to motorise the anchor winch? Is it for remote operation or just to reduce the physical exertion required to manually wind it?
And do you want to be able to rsise and/or lower the anchor from the steering position. That would make quite a big difference to the design.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 7, 2018 9:44:39 GMT
Does your anchor winch have a braking system and a clutch to let the anchor fall free and to stop it falling ? Here is a picture of an old type of anchor winch that was commenly used on our kind of barges overhere. The gypsy(7) can turn freely if the clutch(9) is unscrewed, and the brakeband unwinded(5+6) I suppose that the photo is clear enough and that the working of a winch like this is easy to understand. Peter.
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Post by kris on Jan 7, 2018 11:10:32 GMT
Does your anchor winch have a braking system and a clutch to let the anchor fall free and to stop it falling ? Here is a picture of an old type of anchor winch that was commenly used on our kind of barges overhere. The gypsy(7) can turn freely if the clutch(9) is unscrewed, and the brakeband unwinded(5+6) I suppose that the photo is clear enough and that the working of a winch like this is easy to understand. Peter. No Peter mine doesn't work like this, it has a ratchet and a bar that flips in to act as a brake.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 7, 2018 11:54:16 GMT
The winch in my photo has this bar too, but that's only doing it's job when the anchor is winched up, as independent of that bar you can let the anchor drop when you release the clutch and the brake.
To get the anchor up you tighten the clutch, undo the brake and turn the wheel to pull the anchor up.
Once it's up, you tighten the brake, and undo the clutch, that way the anchor is ready to drop quickly when needed by only releasing the break.
Many French bargees didn't even know how their anchor winches worked, and were winding down their anchors, this because they never- or only very rarely had to use their anchors.
In the Netherlands a flat and windy country, before the VHF became a common thing (which has been obligatory for ages now), we had to use our anchor-gear very often, and were used to it.
The French were mainly doing canal trips where their anchors weren't needed, and before the european classification started, many of their barges didn't have chain attached to their anchors, as that was useless extra weight, their anchors would have a steel bar stopping them from falling down with a bar through them at deck-level.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jan 8, 2018 20:08:37 GMT
It might be better for me to replace the winch. But I it's what the one I've got. So it would be better if I could motorise this one. But I'll keep having a think about it.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 8, 2018 21:09:15 GMT
It might be better for me to replace the winch. But I it's what the one I've got. So it would be better if I could motorise this one. But I'll keep having a think about it. Adapting the one you've got is probably the cheapest solution, but I don't think somehow that it will be the easiest. Good luck with this project anyway. Peter.
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Post by kris on Jan 8, 2018 21:10:50 GMT
It might be better for me to replace the winch. But I it's what the one I've got. So it would be better if I could motorise this one. But I'll keep having a think about it. Adapting the one you've got is probably the cheapest solution, but I don't think somehow that it will be the easiest. Good luck with this project anyway. Peter. It's not imminent but on the to do list.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 8, 2018 21:12:39 GMT
Adapting the one you've got is probably the cheapest solution, but I don't think somehow that it will be the easiest. Good luck with this project anyway. Peter. It's not imminent but on the to do list. That's good Kris, in the meantime you may find a winch that's more suitable to adapt to your wishes. Peter.
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