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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 8:46:05 GMT
I know that some people dock boats every 2 years for painting for cosmetic purposes but was there a standard schedule / interval for working barges for maintenance purposes? I think I read somewhere that Gucci narrow boats were docked every ten years as a standard procedure.
Obviously if there is a fault requiring the vessel to be put into a dry sock then that is different but as a matter of course what was considered normal?
Maybe it was all a bit random.
Does anyone know?
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Post by bargemast on Jan 12, 2018 10:34:53 GMT
I know that some people dock boats every 2 years for painting for cosmetic purposes but was there a standard schedule / interval for working barges for maintenance purposes? I think I read somewhere that Gucci narrow boats were docked every ten years as a standard procedure. Obviously if there is a fault requiring the vessel to be put into a dry sock then that is different but as a matter of course what was considered normal? Maybe it was all a bit random. Does anyone know? To start with, I don't think that you'll easily find a "dry sock" that will be big enough for a boat  . No idea if the inspection rules are the same in the UK as they used to be in the Netherlands, but I've always been insured by a Dutch Cooperative bargees insurance, that required an 4 yearly survey by one of their surveyors, for which you didn't have to pay any extra money, you had to pay for the drydock or slipway and the work that had to be done by the yard, but not for his inspection. My insurance continued even in France, and when I converted my barge into a daytrip restaurant barge, I had to present in drydock for the French authorities once every 5 years, and had to have the boat inspected by one of the shortish list with experts that had their agreement, and for which I had to pay. The Dutch insurance allowed me to do this 5 year inspection, instead of the 4 years, and accepted the reports made by the French expert. The UK may be very different of course, and it may even depend on the insurance companies policies. Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 14:48:20 GMT
I was thinking about situations where insurance was not dictating the dry docking/surveying regime. I suppose it comes down to personal or business choice but I would have thought there would be some sort of standard time between dockings.
its quite possible that insurance companies know what they are doing so what they require is probably a pretty accurate guide. I hate insurance. 27 years of paying to insure my car and no claims. So what is this payment for? To subsidise other peoples claims and keep insurance salesmen in business.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 12, 2018 15:10:37 GMT
I was thinking about situations where insurance was not dictating the dry docking/surveying regime. I suppose it comes down to personal or business choice but I would have thought there would be some sort of standard time between dockings. its quite possible that insurance companies know what they are doing so what they require is probably a pretty accurate guide. I hate insurance. 27 years of paying to insure my car and no claims. So what is this payment for? To subsidise other peoples claims and keep insurance salesmen in business.
Yes, that's what it comes down to, until the day they have to pay for something that went wrong in your own case, and only then you may be happy that you had insurance. Myself I have my car drivers licence since the end of november 1966, motorbike-, HGV- and bus licences since 1969 (HGV and bus expired now, as I don't need them anymore), I've done several millions of kilometers, never had an accident (apart from the motorbike for which I've never claimed anything), so in all these years I've paid a real fortune to the insurance companies without ever needing them, but what if I would have needed them without being insured ? Same with the barges and boats I've had and operated since 1972, never had a claim there either, but it's a risk you can't take (I think) not to be insured, as maybe one day you'll need it, although I really hope that that day will never come of course. Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 17:36:35 GMT
I think insurance is a scam but as it is a legal requirement I pay my 3rd party cover for my car and my boats. To look after other people. And I would pay 3rd party for my bicycle if and when it becomes necessary.
Any more than that is just profiteering by insurance companies.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 12, 2018 17:41:20 GMT
I think insurance is a scam but as it is a legal requirement I pay my 3rd party cover for my car and my boats. To look after other people. And I would pay 3rd party for my bicycle if and when it becomes necessary. Any more than that is just profiteering by insurance companies. That's absolutely true, I only pay for 3rd party coverage too, which is already too expensive really, but as it's obligatory there's not much choice. Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 17:47:45 GMT
OK.
My 3rd party insurance does not require a vessel survey. May be different on the continent but in englandland insurance became mandatory in 1995 with the two week rule and the BS scheme. For some reason they don't need a survey. I guess they put the responsibility of boat condition onto the owner as it is simpler.
So if you have a boat which has no requirement to ever be dry docked how often would you do it as responsible boat owner who is interested in the condition of their vessel.
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Post by patty on Jan 12, 2018 17:49:24 GMT
thinking about dry docking(having nowt else to do) I wondered how often those big beasts of the sea have to go in for check up... mean if the whatever of the seas seams separated it'd be a bit of a disaster.....
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Post by airedaleman on Jan 12, 2018 21:05:04 GMT
For my barge the insurance co wants 7 yearly surveys. It’s a U.K. company but the barge is 100years old. I generally dock it in between to have all the crap blasted off and a good look round.
When I was a young man (with hair) I was a deck officer on shell tankers and they where docked I think every 4 years. This was good fun if the dock was in the North East as the unions made the job stretch out as long as possible by all the demarcation disputes between the different trades and any help or advice from the crew could result in tools down. Needless to say the work went elsewhere. Did like Falmouth dock though.
David
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