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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 5, 2016 22:19:51 GMT
The suggestion was that every adult be paid 2000 Euros a month, every child 500. The referendum result was 75% against the proposal. Very wise are the Swiss, in my opinion. Balanced by the fact that you aren't allowed to hang out washing to dry on a Sunday.
What a fantastic model for democracy; potentially 5 referendums (referenda?) every 6 months. The topics to be voted on can be generated by enough people signing a petition. This is within the constitution of the country. It's perhaps worth mentioning that Switzerland is a very rich country.
A far cry from Ed Milliband effectively side stepping democracy by declaring that a referendum on EU membership would "create uncertainty". Yes Mr Ed, almost everything in life is
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 5, 2016 22:31:42 GMT
Referenda are usually a terrible idea. Why would you let a bunch of people that know shit all about a subject make important decisions about it? They are only really useful when it comes to very basic matters.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 5, 2016 23:03:12 GMT
Referenda are usually a terrible idea. Why would you let a bunch of people that know shit all about a subject make important decisions about it? They are only really useful when it comes to very basic matters. You support dictatorship then, rather than democracy. |
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 5, 2016 23:12:05 GMT
We don't have a democracy whether we are in or out. In an ideal word we would be able to leave these decisions to those most informed on a subject, with our best interests at heart. Letting the general public vote on complicated issues that they are not fully informed about is not how democracy is supposed to work.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 5, 2016 23:27:10 GMT
I believe that the generally held view, in a democracy, is that politicians are elected to make day to day decisions. Equally central to democracy is that very important decisions should be made by the people, rather than by politicians.
Personally I feel quite well informed to make my decision to vote to leave the EU. More than that, I feel so strongly about this that I feel energised to attempt to convince others to do the same I accept that others may be less well informed but I don't hold that my vote is more important than theirs. If you personally feel that you aren't well enough informed to vote; feel free to exercise your right to not vote.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 6, 2016 6:48:37 GMT
Referenda are usually a terrible idea. Why would you let a bunch of people that know shit all about a subject make important decisions about it? They are only really useful when it comes to very basic matters. That sounds like a damn good definition of parliament. |
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