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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 9:53:36 GMT
I see NaughtyCal is chatting the same shit as Nick did about ventilation. We have never had to make any modifications but each examiner has made comments on different items which the others did not. One flagged us up as not having adequate fixed ventilation. The BSS clearly makes allowances for sea going boats on the fixed ventilation requirements which he chose to discount. I think Ian is the one local examiner we have not used yet. I suspect we will use him next year. There are no exemptions for sea going boats as they too are subject to only an advisory check. Nick agreed he had got it wrong - i wonder if NC would do the same. Yes I did get it wrong, but with deaths due to CO poisoning being popular, it seems unwise to encourage people to not have what is considered the correct amount of fixed ventilation. Bollocks Nick, people die of CO poisoning due to badly fitted and maintained solid fuel stoves, reckless use of generators and thoughtless and dangerous use of petrol engined boats for battery charging and hot water generation while moored. Fixed ventilation that meets the advisory criteria for the BSS wouldn't have helped in many cases, have a look at the Love for Lydia case as you clearly have no clue what you are on about. www.gov.uk/government/news/safety-bulletin-published-for-the-love-for-lydia-investigationStatements like you have just made are exactly whats wrong with the BSS, those that examine the scheme, and those that give incorrect advice while passing themselves off as experts on a forum like CWDF. Perhaps MJG is right, the vast majority of knowledge and advice - certainly on CWDF is an utter waste of pixels and electrons.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 1, 2018 9:56:19 GMT
Yes I did get it wrong, but with deaths due to CO poisoning being popular, it seems unwise to encourage people to not have what is considered the correct amount of fixed ventilation. Bollocks Nick, people die of CO poisoning due to badly fitted and maintained solid fuel stoves, reckless use of generators and thoughtless and dangerous use of petrol engined boats for battery charging and hot water generation while moored. Fixed ventilation that meets the advisory criteria for the BSS wouldn't have helped in many cases, have a look at the Love for Lydia case as you clearly have no clue what you are on about. www.gov.uk/government/news/safety-bulletin-published-for-the-love-for-lydia-investigationStatements like you have just made are exactly whats wrong with the BSS, those that examine the scheme, and those that give incorrect advice while passing themselves off as experts on a forum like CWDF. Perhaps MJG is right, the vast majority of knowledge and advice - certainly on CWDF is an utter waste of pixels and electrons. You seem unusually grumpy this morning!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 9:58:19 GMT
been up since 03:30 and not by choice.
As MR Wolf said I am curt as time is a factor (i ought to be getting on with a mountain of work!)
You did OK first time round admitting you were incorrect, you let yourself down with that previous post though.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 1, 2018 10:22:50 GMT
been up since 03:30 and not by choice. As MR Wolf said I am curt as time is a factor (i ought to be getting on with a mountain of work!) You did OK first time round admitting you were incorrect, you let yourself down with that previous post though. I disagree, I was just pointing out the difference between that legally required, and best practice. If that lets me down in your eyes then so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 10:34:10 GMT
The best practice advice is what the BSS could be considered to be. As i said earlier, in the vast majority of cases the BSS Advisory best practice guidance would not have been enough to save those who have died from CO poisoning.
What should be a Requirement is a working approved CO alarm, it would improve the chances of people surviving CO poisoning even when their boat meets the level of Advisory ventilation - it isn't and shows just what a load of bollocks it all is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 10:59:56 GMT
Having had a tragedy at the hands of an idiot plumber and a generator that no amount of fixed ventilation advisory compliance could have prevented here is the view of the Lake District National Park.
At today’s Authority meeting the Lake District National Park decided not to adopt the Boat Safety Scheme (BSS) following the Marine Accident Investigation Board’s (MAIB) recommendation, as the scheme is not an effective comprehensive method of addressing the important issue of boat safety.
While we support many of the scheme’s initiatives, these alone would not necessarily ensure public safety. Our reasons for not adopting the Boat Safety Scheme include: * The BSS inspection is not a full condition survey and does not provide a fit for purpose evaluation
* It is not a mandatory condition to install a carbon monoxide or smoke detector on-board a boat under the BSS scheme
* The BSS inspection is only conducted every four years. This would not necessarily ensure safety of users
* For the BSS to be adopted it requires byelaw changes. Byelaws are designed to address local issues and must not attempt to address issues that are of national concern.
As part of our lake management, we believe the best way to ensure boat users understand how to stay safe on a boat is through the education rather than enforcement. We will continue to share the BSS ‘Stay Safe’ campaign information and will also run a promotional campaign from spring 2016 to ensure users are informed and educated on all aspects of boat safety.
Although we will not be adopting the BSS, we will be ensuring boat users on LDNP property have third party liability insurance prior to setting out onto a lake – these include Coniston and Ullswater moorings. However it does not include Windermere, as this is managed by South Lakeland District Council and private moorings, many of which already have an insurance requirement in place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:53:52 GMT
Called for a brew at a friends boat, and noticed their door vents (low level ventilation that our boat lacks) were blocked with pieces of card.
I think it takes a degree of effort to reach a point where fatality occurs.
Rog
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