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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 22:23:59 GMT
Another point for you morally outraged lot... What exactly is so different between this 15 YO girl being indoctrinated by naughty muslim men and all the 15 YO girls from Rochdale / Rotherham etc who were indoctrinated into sucking Donna Kebab sellers off for cans of cola? Should we abandon them too with the attutude 'well they made their beds' ? FFS ! 🙄 As I said ... brutal ! Rog
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Post by Trina on Feb 15, 2019 22:26:35 GMT
Feel free to answer the initial question... What crimes has she actually committed? Not clever enough to think up crimes,but she was old enough at 15 to understand what she was doing.I was fairly intelligent at 15 in 1973 & I feel 15 year olds today are even more savvy.She knew where she was going & why.Please don't say she was an innocent as she planned what she was doing.Too easy to say she didn't know what she was getting into,especially as there is computer evidence to show what she'd been watching & planning.Let's agree to disagree as I'm hoping to go for a few beers when we're up in your neck of the woods in the summer(if you're there of course😊).
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 15, 2019 22:39:16 GMT
Feel free to answer the initial question... What crimes has she actually committed? Not clever enough to think up crimes,but she was old enough at 15 to understand what she was doing.I was fairly intelligent at 15 in 1973 & I feel 15 year olds today are even more savvy.She knew where she was going & why.Please don't say she was an innocent as she planned what she was doing.Too easy to say she didn't know what she was getting into,especially as there is computer evidence to show what she'd been watching & planning.Let's agree to disagree as I'm hoping to go for a few beers when we're up in your neck of the woods in the summer(if you're there of course😊). As I said...Same scenario as all those other girls I mentioned, Indoctrinated by bad men! 👎 Who are the actual wrong doers we should be fearful of?🙂
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Post by Trina on Feb 15, 2019 22:43:10 GMT
Not going to argue any more,we quite clearly have different views-both should be respected.That is what real life is like.Still fancy a beer though.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 15, 2019 22:44:52 GMT
we quite clearly have different views-both should be respected.That is what real life is like.Still fancy a beer though. I look forward to it! 🙂 🍻
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Post by thebfg on Feb 15, 2019 22:46:48 GMT
what will be interesting is if her other half comes with her.
I'm holding reservations untill we see some facts.
15 year old girls don't run away to meet Isis for no reason. it is well known that they groomed young British girls. however we don't know yet.
what actual actions has she taken that would merit refusal of entry to the UK?
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 15, 2019 22:54:35 GMT
what actual actions has she taken that would merit refusal of entry to the UK? She is in a Syrian refugee camp with no British Consular representation....So until she gets out of there, she aint coming back here with 'our' help anytime soon!
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Post by JohnV on Feb 15, 2019 23:07:00 GMT
Not clever enough to think up crimes,but she was old enough at 15 to understand what she was doing.I was fairly intelligent at 15 in 1973 & I feel 15 year olds today are even more savvy.She knew where she was going & why.Please don't say she was an innocent as she planned what she was doing.Too easy to say she didn't know what she was getting into,especially as there is computer evidence to show what she'd been watching & planning.Let's agree to disagree as I'm hoping to go for a few beers when we're up in your neck of the woods in the summer(if you're there of course😊). As I said...Same scenario as all those other girls I mentioned, Indoctrinated by bad men! 👎 Who are the actual wrong doers we should be fearful of?🙂 there is a level of difference between the two cases. Crimes ...... joining a terrorist organisation for one. To secretly organise (even if assisted) plan and carry out a trip across two countries to join an organisation that was already notorious for their inhuman treatment of those who do not subscribe to their beliefs is not the same as some poor child being persuaded and encouraged with drugs or alcohol to perform sex acts. To attempt to pass the first off as being the same as the second is imprecise thinking
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 15, 2019 23:14:30 GMT
As I said...Same scenario as all those other girls I mentioned, Indoctrinated by bad men! 👎 Who are the actual wrong doers we should be fearful of?🙂 there is a level of difference between the two cases. Crimes ...... joining a terrorist organisation for one. To secretly organise (even if assisted) plan and carry out a trip across two countries to join an organisation that was already notorious for their inhuman treatment of those who do not subscribe to their beliefs is not the same as some poor child being persuaded and encouraged with drugs or alcohol to perform sex acts. To attempt to pass the first off as being the same as the second is imprecise thinking Both example of vulnerable children being indoctronated into doing 'wrong things' by bad men.... The serverity of the outcomes may be different, but the actual act is the same...these were all children being led by great promises!
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Post by Trina on Feb 15, 2019 23:21:34 GMT
I think the thing that really turns me totally against her is when she says she is not fazed by severed heads in bins.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 15, 2019 23:24:13 GMT
there is a level of difference between the two cases. Crimes ...... joining a terrorist organisation for one. To secretly organise (even if assisted) plan and carry out a trip across two countries to join an organisation that was already notorious for their inhuman treatment of those who do not subscribe to their beliefs is not the same as some poor child being persuaded and encouraged with drugs or alcohol to perform sex acts. To attempt to pass the first off as being the same as the second is imprecise thinking Both example of vulnerable children being indoctronated into doing 'wrong things' by bad men.... The serverity of the outcomes may be different, but the actual act is the same...these were all children being led by great promises! I agree with you that those who radicalised or groomed either group need tracking down and punishing but there is an enormous difference in the degree of personal responsibility. To individually walk through an airport with your own papers and luggage to travel hundreds of miles requires a much greater degree of personal action. Totally different ballgame
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 15, 2019 23:31:04 GMT
I think the thing that really turns me totally against her is when she says she is not fazed by severed heads in bins. Yes I concur with that, but this is an abandoned, vulnerable girl surrounded by ISIS sympathisers, speaking to a media reporter, probably being rewarded for actually saying what said reporter wants to hear! I know my father and grandfather saw just as bad a things during WW1 & 2.... Were they fazed by it at the time? Our ex- servicemen suffering with PTSD today ...Were they fazed by things they were seeing if questioned about it 10 years ago? So many sides to a story! 😉
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Post by Trina on Feb 15, 2019 23:53:28 GMT
I was a teacher for 35 years in primary schools in the Midlands teaching kiddiewinks of all colours,creeds & religions.The only child who ever made me twitchy was a Muslim boy who actively made his hatred of women & Christians known.He told us what he thought of us at the age of 11.He really hated women & as he was in my class,he told me he hated me.Not a problem until his dad told me that he would be proud if his son went to war against infidels.It was the only time I felt at a loss with a child.🙁
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 0:05:55 GMT
So.....Do you think she Should be allowed back to be given a flat and benefit handouts or left to take care of her own mistakes? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47229181No! I bet the soft headed bastards will kick up enough stink to get her back in though. Hopefully, she will be executed over there. Beheading someone is the issue in my view. I think it's important to remember that this particular barbarous act is fucking disgusting, and should not go unpunished. The act seeks solely to destroy the families of the victim, and I feel an eye for an eye is acceptable.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 16, 2019 0:11:26 GMT
So.....Do you think she Should be allowed back to be given a flat and benefit handouts or left to take care of her own mistakes? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47229181. Beheading someone is the issue in my view. I think it's important to remember that this particular barbarous act is fucking disgusting, and should not go unpunished. The act seeks solely to destroy the families of the victim, and I feel an eye for an eye is acceptable. Whilst I agree with what you say re beheading, I'm unaware that this girl has actually participated in this act, other than looking into a dustbin?
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