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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 18, 2019 0:01:51 GMT
Can you imagine the little boy and his mother back in Britain. Let's assume that the father is killed/ imprisoned/something else, really can't see the government allowing the 3 of them to live happily ever after in Britain. The boy won't have known his father. What do you think she will tell the boy, that he was a murderer/ terrorist who was brought to justice and that he should forget that he existed? Or will there be pictures of this big, strong man around the house, automatic weapons at the ready. No doubt she will tell the boy how wonderful this man was, how proud he should feel to have him has a father. When the boy is older, no doubt whatsoever, he will be a danger to society.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:21:18 GMT
Can you imagine the little boy and his mother back in Britain. Let's assume that the father is killed/ imprisoned/something else, really can't see the government allowing the 3 of them to live happily ever after in Britain. The boy won't have known his father. What do you think she will tell the boy, that he was a murderer/ terrorist who was brought to justice and that he should forget that he existed? Or will there be pictures of this big, strong man around the house, automatic weapons at the ready. No doubt she will tell the boy how wonderful this man was, how proud he should feel to have him has a father. When the boy is older, no doubt whatsoever, he will be a danger to society. Lots of assumptions there Ricco but I get your point. Peer pressure is very powerful. even from those who have died (do we actually know what happened to the father?). For me the simple truth is that the media here will focus on a single individual to distract us, rather than the 500,000 who have died in the Syrian conflict (many who are innocent civilian victims) . That tells the real story, but maybe one which is less palitable in the West. After all, we are all tax payers...
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 18, 2019 0:53:19 GMT
Can you imagine the little boy and his mother back in Britain. Let's assume that the father is killed/ imprisoned/something else, really can't see the government allowing the 3 of them to live happily ever after in Britain. The boy won't have known his father. What do you think she will tell the boy, that he was a murderer/ terrorist who was brought to justice and that he should forget that he existed? Or will there be pictures of this big, strong man around the house, automatic weapons at the ready. No doubt she will tell the boy how wonderful this man was, how proud he should feel to have him has a father. When the boy is older, no doubt whatsoever, he will be a danger to society. Lots of assumptions there Ricco but I get your point. Peer pressure is very powerful. even from those who have died (do we actually know what happened to the father?). For me the simple truth is that the media here will focus on a single individual to distract us, rather than the 500,000 who have died in the Syrian conflict (many who are innocent civilian victims) . That tells the real story, but maybe one which is less palitable in the West. After all, we are all tax payers... Assumptions for sure but if the government do allow her to return, and really care about wider society as the greatest priority, there's no way mother and child should stay together. Perhaps offer her a deal where she may return but the child is moved on secretly (live with socks maybe) to never be seen by the mother again, or known by the general public. A bit like the Bulger case. The kid has committed no crime but if that woman mothers him he will be a terrorist or some other threat to society, we all know this. It's in his interests to be separated from her. If she doesn't want this deal,let her rot in hell.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2019 7:57:58 GMT
They are in the British Government now, and also the Finnish Government. Is their allegiance to the UK or to their countries of origin? How many are smuggling their relatives in via the diplomatic channels? Nasima Razmyar from Afghanistan - came to Finland as a refugee 1993 - got herself into Parliament in 2015 but resigned in 2017 when she became under-Mayor of Helsinki. Where is that "ignore " button? BABY SNATCHER! "I think the babe could be less trouble than the mother, so baby can come back, I'll adopt him"
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2019 8:29:27 GMT
Most of the current residents of the UK, and probably most other European countries, are descended from immigrants who arrived during the last 2000 years. Frankly I would rather have hard-working families from Asia as my neighbours than some lazy right wing white supremacist assholes living on benefits. The only reservation I have is that none of us, Asians or Europeans, should feel they have the right to influence the beliefs and behaviour of others. I have worked all over the world and have always been surprised by the welcoming nature of the majority of the populations of those countries. Casting doubts on the well-meaning characteristics of immigrants who have clearly integrated into our society does nobody any good. Let's face it, Foxy, you are just a rabble-rouser. I'll take you up on this. If I were a refugee and welcomed into another country, which had a totally different peoples and culture in it, I'd be inclined to be grateful and get on with living as a 'normal' citizen - study, work, paying taxes into the system. Perhaps after 30 years of this I'd begin to feel that, as the older generations have snuffed it, and the younger generations have less experience in life (and probably less knowledge), I'd have the right to start exerting my influence, if I felt so inclined to do so. I think it is a bloody cheek to worm your way into the politics of that host country straight away, no respect for what has gone on before - in this case, Finns have been fighting the Russians for centuries to gain their country for themselves, and also told the Swedes to, quite rightly, bugger off. Even more of a cheek to campaign for more refugees to be allowed to enter the country that took you in - in this case we are talking mostly fighting-age male Iraqis and Afghanistanis who poured over the border from Sweden over three years ago in the hope of getting better benefits (talking Free Money here) from Finland. Sweden, a country 'at war', eh? They were already quite safe in Sweden - in fact it's the Swedes who are now in danger from the recent influx of migrants - have you really not heard about the burning cars in the streets of Stockholm, Mälmö and Gothernburg, and Sweden's new reputation as 'the rape capital of Europe'. It doesn't take much to work out where this sudden change of ill has come from! "Police figures show that foreign suspects in cases of child abuse in Finland hailed mainly from Iraq, Afghanistan, Estonia and Iran. A large proportion of asylum seekers from Iraq and Afghanistan are young men, and 20-34-year-old people from Iraq were found to have committed 10 times more sexual offenses of some kind in 2017 than Finnish citizens of the same age." Source: Helsingin Sanomat (Finland's main national newspaper, sort of like The Times of the UK). This to me shows that 'a large proportion of asylum seekers from Iraq and Afghanistan' have no respect for the country that has allowed them to enter. The above politician has business interests (ie. making money out of it) in asylum centres run by the state, so it's no wonder she wants more 'refugees' (war deserters?) in to keep her business interests going. "Frankly I would rather have hard-working families from Asia as my neighbours than some lazy right wing white supremacist assholes living on benefits." - yes, there's probably a good 5% of the 'white British' population who are good for nothing apart from fish food and should be shoved off Beachy Head. You line 'em up, I'll drive the bulldozer. However - hard-working? How hard-working? You mean the 24/7 shop open all hours never mind about workers' rights and factory floor conditions, health & safety plays no part in our game? Competition is fine, but to what depths should the underhandedness of it all go? Hard-working is fine, but decent employment laws should be respected, and accounting honest. "Most of the current residents of the UK, and probably most other European countries, are descended from immigrants who arrived during the last 2000 years." - yeah, but they came from the neighbouring lands, not from Japan or Jamaica. Is someone from Cheshire an 'immigrant' if they step into Shropshire? "Casting doubts on the well-meaning characteristics of immigrants who have clearly integrated into our society does nobody any good." - yes, of course, but what about when their aims are not well-meaning to their host country? Or they are here just to make money for themselves and give nothing in return? ps. Nasima Razmyarin VOK-bisnes kuittasi 2 790 255,00 e veronmaksajien rahoja vuonna 2015! (she made that amount out of her asylum centre business in 2015 alone - ripping off the hard-working tax payers of Finland) mvlehti.net/2017/11/28/nazima-razmyarin-vok-bisnes-kuittasi-2-790-25500-e-veronmaksajien-rahoja-vuonna-2015-2/
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2019 8:44:46 GMT
I have worked all over the world and have always been surprised by the welcoming nature of the majority of the populations of those countries. To add: yes, you were just there as a worker and no potential harm, in fact, perhaps some saw you as a possible marriage victim who would whisk them back to the UK and out of poverty? That was a slightly flippant quip, what I wanted to stress is that would they really have been so welcoming if you wanted to set up refugee centres in their country and import thousands upon thousands of your countrymen, out of which you make very handsome profits (3 million Euros/year) for which they have to pay out of their taxes? I don't think the Japanese are very friendly, do you? They don't want any migrants into their country, do they? Yes, they smile and are polite and welcome you into their homes - but if you say "I think I'll stay and live here in Japan!" it's "No you fucking won't, Goodbye!" and an armed escort to the airport.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2019 8:52:05 GMT
I really enjoy dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses when they come to my front door. "can we discuss jesus for a few minutes?" "yes, of course .........." and then I produce a monologue about my Humanist Atheist beliefs. They usually get bored after a minute or so and make their excuses and make a quick exit. I’m genuinely intested in the beliefs of atheists and those who aren’t. The problem is that I’m not sure this is the right forum to discuss such matters..well unless one is atheist perhaps? , but I’m here if anyone is interested in my current views. I think I got labelled as a ‘non-atheist’ nutter. Yes, I am willing to discuss the subject to an extent, but it could be a complicated and long one, and at the end nothing comes out of it and we are left with our original stance. I would suggest getting hold of a copy of Richard Dawkin's book 'The God Delusion' to have beside us, and to go through it page by page and pick up on the points raised in that, when we run out of our own ideas. "When I was on CWF I started to debate with people who claimed to be atheists, then I got banned. Fair enough" - why do you say 'fair enough'? I'd say what a bunch of twats for wanting to stifle me. I can't believe you got banned for just being a nutter. Did you swear or something?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 8:52:47 GMT
Frank Whittle has a lot to answer for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 8:54:32 GMT
I didn't realise @bassplayer was a banned one. That's serious Q-doss man.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2019 8:58:39 GMT
Can you imagine the little boy and his mother back in Britain. Let's assume that the father is killed/ imprisoned/something else, really can't see the government allowing the 3 of them to live happily ever after in Britain. The boy won't have known his father. What do you think she will tell the boy, that he was a murderer/ terrorist who was brought to justice and that he should forget that he existed? Or will there be pictures of this big, strong man around the house, automatic weapons at the ready. No doubt she will tell the boy how wonderful this man was, how proud he should feel to have him has a father. When the boy is older, no doubt whatsoever, he will be a danger to society. Three minus one makes two - not three. I dunno, but I think in this case it might be worth showing some genuine kindness. But just this time - no others are to be allowed to go and then come back (if it can be prevented). Only time will tell if she wants to integrate into the 'infidel society'. A helping hand at first, but then she should be expected to pull her weight and put something back into the country that has taken her in ('again'). As I said, her parents could visit, but under supervision, and she could be housed away from ISIS influences - so stick her on the Isle of Man, Isle of Wight - or up in the Shetland Islands, what's wrong with that? Rockall Island is pushing it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2019 9:00:37 GMT
Can you imagine the little boy and his mother back in Britain. Let's assume that the father is killed/ imprisoned/something else, really can't see the government allowing the 3 of them to live happily ever after in Britain. The boy won't have known his father. What do you think she will tell the boy, that he was a murderer/ terrorist who was brought to justice and that he should forget that he existed? Or will there be pictures of this big, strong man around the house, automatic weapons at the ready. No doubt she will tell the boy how wonderful this man was, how proud he should feel to have him has a father. When the boy is older, no doubt whatsoever, he will be a danger to society. focus on a single individual to distract us, rather than the 500,000 who have died in the Syrian conflict (many who are innocent civilian victims) . How many died from weapons made in the UK? Who made those weapons? They have blood on their hands! And money in their bank accounts.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2019 9:09:45 GMT
Frank Whittle has a lot to answer for. The jet engine has changed the world. Only a day to Australia. But they won't let you stay and work and live there because they are the most dreadful racists. Just look how they treated the Aborigines! They will let you have a holiday and take your money off you. Meanwhile, thousands of Aussies over-extend their visas in Earl's Court and Hammersmith knowing they'll only get a slap on the wrist on the way out (if they ever leave at all).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 9:11:37 GMT
focus on a single individual to distract us, rather than the 500,000 who have died in the Syrian conflict (many who are innocent civilian victims) . How many died from weapons made in the UK? Who made those weapons? They have blood on their hands! And money in their bank accounts. What’s worse than that, is that we as tax payers also have some of that blood on our hands. After all we have little say in where that tax money goes, but it is still our money which is being used It’s all a very tangled web we weave.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 9:14:22 GMT
Frank Whittle has a lot to answer for. The jet engine has changed the world. Only a day to Australia. But they won't let you stay and work and live there because they are the most dreadful racists. Just look how they treated the Aborigines! They will let you have a holiday and take your money off you. Meanwhile, thousands of Aussies over-extend their visas in Earl's Court and Hammersmith knowing they'll only get a slap on the wrist on the way out (if they ever leave at all). I know about 6 people who have got a slap on the wrist for overstaying their visas in Australia and another 4 that are now living there permanently.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 9:19:37 GMT
I’m genuinely intested in the beliefs of atheists and those who aren’t. The problem is that I’m not sure this is the right forum to discuss such matters..well unless one is atheist perhaps? , but I’m here if anyone is interested in my current views. I think I got labelled as a ‘non-atheist’ nutter. Yes, I am willing to discuss the subject to an extent, but it could be a complicated and long one, and at the end nothing comes out of it and we are left with our original stance. I would suggest getting hold of a copy of Richard Dawkin's book 'The God Delusion' to have beside us, and to go through it page by page and pick up on the points raised in that, when we run out of our own ideas. "When I was on CWF I started to debate with people who claimed to be atheists, then I got banned. Fair enough" - why do you say 'fair enough'? I'd say what a bunch of twats for wanting to stifle me. I can't believe you got banned for just being a nutter. Did you swear or something? I did start to read Dawkins’s book once, but I found his views very arrogant, so I gave up. Of course the same arragance can be seen in some religious people too to be fair. It’s not so much about words anyway, it’s about what we DO and the way we DO things which reallly matters.
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