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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 15:58:34 GMT
Well that seems to be a reasonable and well constructed counter argument.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:12:18 GMT
Apart from running away from home at fifteen, and sympathizing with the cause, I haven't seen evidence that she's actually committed any crime. I'm glad I don't have to make decisions about her or her baby's status and future. Sometimes it's necessary to break the cycle of hate to change possible outcomes. I know I'm not wise enough to make the decisions. Rog Remember this rog? David Haines (aid worker) - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org › wiki › David_... She joined IS after seeing this on TV etc. Don't you have any respect for the victims family? Are you suggesting this is one of her crimes? I am not aware that she has committed any crime, other than believing ISIS propaganda. I wish I knew what was best. I just find people celebrating the young lady's difficulties, repugnant. The baby, we can agree, is an innocent. Rog
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Post by bodger on Feb 21, 2019 17:25:47 GMT
as far as I am concerned, anyone who knowingly provides physical support and succour to a criminal is aiding and abetting...... and you don't get much more criminal that being a terrorist. Begum knew exactly what she was getting into. At the time she may have believed it was going to be a wonderful adventure - well she has been proved wrong.
anyone who tries to deny that Al Qaeda and IS are terrorist groups is a twat. I suppose 9/11 was concocted by a few loonies? ................. NOT.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 21, 2019 17:27:37 GMT
Which terrorists were these ? Call of Duty on Play Station 3 is soo lifelike doncha know!👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:28:40 GMT
I wondered if Jenlyn was in northern Ireland maybe.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 21, 2019 17:31:11 GMT
I am not aware that she has committed any crime, other than believing ISIS propaganda. Rog Isis is an organisation on the proscribed list of the UK government. Membership and this includes supporting, or inviting support, arranging or assisting arranging support for a proscribed organisation etc all this is a criminal offence ....... there's one for you Rog. ... carries a fairly hefty penalty ....... I am not including the picture seen on fb that Jenlyn refers to, as I have no way of deciding if it is true or fake.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:37:20 GMT
as far as I am concerned, anyone who knowingly provides physical support and succour to a criminal is aiding and abetting...... and you don't get much more criminal that being a terrorist. Begum knew exactly what she was getting into. At the time she may have believed it was going to be a wonderful adventure - well she has been proved wrong. anyone who tries to deny that Al Qaeda and IS are terrorist groups is a twat. I suppose 9/11 was concocted by a few loonies? ................. NOT. 9/11 (or 11/9 in english) was either a CIA setup or it was a reaction in a conflict ie "the enemy". Nothing to do with loonies. A lot of people think it was a setup. In fact there is quite a strong argument to suggest that the "terrorist training camps" are operated by the CIA anyway and these bearded mullahs have been brainwashed by CIA. Its all too convenient.
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Post by patty on Feb 21, 2019 17:38:40 GMT
Well if she comes back ..and she may well do as they won't make her stateless then I'm sure she will be monitored and hopefully keep her head down and live a quiet life...I just hope her son does not get radicalised and that 2 lives are turned from the terrorist path
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:45:33 GMT
I am not aware that she has committed any crime, other than believing ISIS propaganda. Rog Isis is an organisation on the proscribed list of the UK government. Membership and this includes supporting, or inviting support, arranging or assisting arranging support for a proscribed organisation etc all this is a criminal offence ....... there's one for you Rog. ... carries a fairly hefty penalty ....... I am not including the picture seen on fb that Jenlyn refers to, as I have no way of deciding if it is true or fake. But as far as I'm aware, all she did was run away from home to Syria. She was fifteen, and is only nineteen now. She was not raising finance, providing support or succour within the UK, and whatever she's seen in Syria, there's no suggestion that she was directly responsible thus far. In any case, it's the celebration and glee in her and her baby's predicament that's repugnant to me. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:47:57 GMT
Are you suggesting this is one of her crimes? The baby, we can agree, is an innocent. Rog By leaving the UK and joining a terrorist group, yes, that is a crime. Hence our prisons filling up with them. We can agree the baby is innocent at the moment, but who knows in years to come. After all, it seems her family support extremists in the UK.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 21, 2019 17:50:08 GMT
dogless's stalker here.
I agree with his last comment above. Has anyone seen any details at all of what unpalatable things Shamima has done?
Now... what is the involvement of her parents, I think a close look should be taken at them and their 'activities'. Where did a 15 year old teenager get the money to go to Syria? Did Daddy give it to her? I didn't have the money to even go to France at the age of 15!
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 21, 2019 17:54:27 GMT
I see the man of the people has finally added his thoughts to this circus! Suppose it keeps the pressure off him about his inept handling of Brexit, anti semitism issues plus elected members leaving his 'Party for the many'! What a dithering old cock he is! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47319763
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:54:29 GMT
as far as I am concerned, anyone who knowingly provides physical support and succour to a criminal is aiding and abetting...... and you don't get much more criminal that being a terrorist. Begum knew exactly what she was getting into. At the time she may have believed it was going to be a wonderful adventure - well she has been proved wrong. anyone who tries to deny that Al Qaeda and IS are terrorist groups is a twat. I suppose 9/11 was concocted by a few loonies? ................. NOT. 9/11 (or 11/9 in english) was either a CIA setup or it was a reaction in a conflict ie "the enemy". Nothing to do with loonies. A lot of people think it was a setup. In fact there is quite a strong argument to suggest that the "terrorist training camps" are operated by the CIA anyway and these bearded mullahs have been brainwashed by CIA. Its all too convenient. Well the thing about the twin towers was that there were a very high proportion of multi nationals working there. So from both sides of the argument it seems a strange target. Or is it? Maybe extremists stick together when it’s all about money and power. We’ve, sorry meant the Americans, have been doing deals with the arab states for years. Oil, defence products, soft drinks (Bin Laden) etc. Why let a load of innocents get in the way?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 18:01:36 GMT
No one (certainly not I) is speaking up for any terrorist organisation or action.
I am unhappy that the UK is turning into the sort of idiotic place where people 'whoop and holler' to celebrate a teenage girl and her new born baby being abandoned to their fate in an appalling refugee camp.
If it must be, it must be.
I cannot feel it is a good thing.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 21, 2019 18:08:54 GMT
I am not aware that she has committed any crime, other than believing ISIS propaganda. Rog Isis is an organisation on the proscribed list of the UK government. Membership and this includes supporting, or inviting support, arranging or assisting arranging support for a proscribed organisation etc all this is a criminal offence ....... there's one for you Rog. ... carries a fairly hefty penalty ....... I am not including the picture seen on fb that Jenlyn refers to, as I have no way of deciding if it is true or fake. I've no idea of what the photo is, I have however seen a photo with what is alleged the girl striding a white man. It has been proven the girl is in fact a boy.
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