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Post by Telemachus on Feb 22, 2018 19:57:10 GMT
Well because for the past 8 weeks it’s been possible to go up Curdworth, turn at the top or turn about 2/3rds the way between there and Minworth. For people who actually like to cruise there boats Tony, a concept I’m sure you will struggle with. If they had done as you suggest, there would have been a torrent of whining and moaning on here for closing the cut for no reason. A perfect example of whatever CRT do, it is by definition wrong. You're missing the point. Leaving a length of cut, and locks, open for use with it's normal, and apart from land drainage/run-off, only source of water supply expected/planned to be stanked off for a long period is the height of stupidity. Lengths of canal, along with locks, do sometimes have to be closed for the duration of maintenance and repairs. It's an unavoidable inconvenience that's existed since the canals were built, and anyone who can't understand and live with that really ought to think about taking up some alternative pastime. Funny how it’s been perfectly OK for the first 8 weeks, and is now only scuppered because some twat drained the 2 mile pound.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 22, 2018 20:18:51 GMT
Well because for the past 8 weeks it’s been possible to go up Curdworth, turn at the top or turn about 2/3rds the way between there and Minworth. For people who actually like to cruise there boats Tony, a concept I’m sure you will struggle with. If they had done as you suggest, there would have been a torrent of whining and moaning on here for closing the cut for no reason. A perfect example of whatever CRT do, it is by definition wrong. So are you saying CRT would not dare to close the top of Curd worth for fear of boaters who like boating moaning that the cut is closed "for no reason" surely it is closed "for a reason" that reason being "there ain't no water coming down the next flight of locks". Unless there is a bypass weir going past the whole of Minworth locks or a river feed of some sort it is surely blatantly obvious to anyone *who likes to cruise their boats" that a problem will occur rapidly. But it didn’t, for the first 8 weeks. And only now because of vandalism. Of course, there aren’t many people who like to cruise up Curdworth in mid winter just for the sake of it, but, bearing in mind our marina is only 1hr from the bottom lock, and it’s actually a very pleasant flight, we have done so and so have a few others. If everyone wanted to do it, the flight would have to be closed. But they don’t so it didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 20:27:53 GMT
I can see the appeal of going up and down a flight of locks for pleasure but you did suggest CRT would get a lot of complaints if they chained the gates shut. If you have forgotten that already then may I suggest a consultation with a professional.
If there is a vandalism problem perhaps there is reason to ask CRT to put in some anti vandal measures? I just wonder if it was an eastern European fishing exercise. It has been known.
Eta I just re-read your post and should apologise. You suggested that there would be a lot of whingeing "on here". So you didn't actually state that CRT would get complaints from boaters in the area you were simply suggesting that people on this forum would moan about some random stoppage.
Sorry if I have misrepresented you.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 22, 2018 20:38:54 GMT
I can see the appeal of going up and down a flight of locks for pleasure but you did suggest CRT would get a lot of complaints if they chained the gates shut. If you have forgotten that already then may I suggest a consultation with a professional. If there is a vandalism problem perhaps there is reason to ask CRT to put in some anti vandal measures? I just wonder if it was an eastern European fishing exercise. It has been known. Eta I just re-read your post and should apologise. You suggested that there would be a lot of whingeing "on here". So you didn't actually state that CRT would get complaints from boaters in the area you were simply suggesting that people on this forum would moan about some random stoppage. Sorry if I have misrepresented you. That’s quite alright, thankyou for reading my post properly! (Unusual on here!). There are handcuff locks on Minworth, but with Curdworth being just far enough out of town, there aren’t any on that flight. But yes, perhaps something on the top lock would be a good idea (not that handcuff locks are very secure).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 20:46:01 GMT
Maybe a laminated photo of Mr Stabby with his "thats not a knife...THIS IS A KNIFE" pinned to the balance beams might help with security.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 22, 2018 21:20:35 GMT
You're missing the point. Leaving a length of cut, and locks, open for use with it's normal, and apart from land drainage/run-off, only source of water supply expected/planned to be stanked off for a long period is the height of stupidity. Lengths of canal, along with locks, do sometimes have to be closed for the duration of maintenance and repairs. It's an unavoidable inconvenience that's existed since the canals were built, and anyone who can't understand and live with that really ought to think about taking up some alternative pastime. Funny how it’s been perfectly OK for the first 8 weeks, and is now only scuppered because some twat drained the 2 mile pound. You're still missing the point. The fact that C&RT got away with not chaining up the paddles at the top of Curdworth for 8 weeks doesn't make it a sensible thing to do.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 23, 2018 0:29:04 GMT
Funny how it’s been perfectly OK for the first 8 weeks, and is now only scuppered because some twat drained the 2 mile pound. You're still missing the point. The fact that C&RT got away with not chaining up the paddles at the top of Curdworth for 8 weeks doesn't make it a sensible thing to do. You’re still missing the point. It was the sensible thing to do because the lock flight is little used (dead end) but still allowed those who actually wanted to traverse it, to do so. Only the vandalism has ruined that plan, and now the flight is closed so nothing lost, but 8 weeks of availability gained compared to if you had been running the waterways.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 7:58:34 GMT
Presumably CRT had to pay for the fish rescue ?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 23, 2018 8:21:21 GMT
Presumably CRT had to pay for the fish rescue ? Yes but they used Eastern European labour and so got a hefty discount.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 23, 2018 9:17:09 GMT
You're still missing the point. The fact that C&RT got away with not chaining up the paddles at the top of Curdworth for 8 weeks doesn't make it a sensible thing to do. It was the sensible thing to do . . . blah, blah . . . so nothing lost , . . . . blah, blah, blah, . . . but 8 weeks of availability gained . . . You really haven't thought about this much at all, have you ? Far from there being "nothing lost", the true cost of leaving Curdworth available for you and the rest of Curdworth Cruising Club for the last 8 weeks will in fact be quite substantial, . . and totally unjustifiable ! Firstly there is the immediate cost of rescuing and re-locating all the fish that are/were in that pound, and that won't be insignificant, and secondly there will be some point during the coming Summer when the loss of around two thirds to three quarters of the water holding capacity of that 2 and a bit mile pound may well become a cause for regret. With C&RT's already much diminished, and ever diminishing, canal water reserves, they simply cannot afford to waste any water at all, and especially at a time when reservoir levels still haven't fully recovered from last years dry spell.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 23, 2018 9:21:37 GMT
It was the sensible thing to do . . . blah, blah . . . so nothing lost , . . . . blah, blah, blah, . . . but 8 weeks of availability gained . . . You really haven't thought about this much at all, have you ? Far from there being "nothing lost", the true cost of leaving Curdworth available for you and the rest of Curdworth Cruising Club for the last 8 weeks will in fact be quite substantial, . . and totally unjustifiable ! Firstly there is the immediate cost of rescuing and re-locating all the fish that are/were in that pound, and that won't be insignificant, and secondly there will be some point during the coming Summer when the loss of around two thirds to three quarters of the water holding capacity of that 2 and a bit mile pound may well become a cause for regret. With C&RT's already much diminished, and ever diminishing, canal water reserves, they simply cannot afford to waste any water at all, and especially at a time when reservoir levels still haven't fully recovered from last years dry spell. You really haven’t thought this through much at all, have you. CRT’s normal way of closing a lock flight is to chain the gates up. In what way would that have stopped someone coming along and opening all the paddles? Yes the drained pound will have cost in money and resources, but that is nothing to do with whether the flight was open or closed.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 23, 2018 9:34:58 GMT
You really haven't thought about this much at all, have you ? Far from there being "nothing lost", the true cost of leaving Curdworth available for you and the rest of Curdworth Cruising Club for the last 8 weeks will in fact be quite substantial, . . and totally unjustifiable ! Firstly there is the immediate cost of rescuing and re-locating all the fish that are/were in that pound, and that won't be insignificant, and secondly there will be some point during the coming Summer when the loss of around two thirds to three quarters of the water holding capacity of that 2 and a bit mile pound may well become a cause for regret. With C&RT's already much diminished, and ever diminishing, canal water reserves, they simply cannot afford to waste any water at all, and especially at a time when reservoir levels still haven't fully recovered from last years dry spell. You really haven’t thought this through much at all, have you. CRT’s normal way of closing a lock flight is to chain the gates up. In what way would that have stopped someone coming along and opening all the paddles? Yes the drained pound will have cost in money and resources, but that is nothing to do with whether the flight was open or closed. Try following some of your own frequently dispensed advice by reading what I said, rather than replying to what you imagine I said, . . . there was never any suggestion that chaining up the top gate at Curdworth would serve any purpose. Quote from the post that you in fact replied to : " why didn't the stupid buggers chain up the paddles at the top of Curdworth on the morning the stoppage at Minworth went in ? "
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 23, 2018 9:41:45 GMT
You said “the true cost of leaving Curdworth available...” etc. So how should CRT have made the flight unavailable? You are right, I did presume that you meant by following the custom and practice of the last 50years or so, which is to chain up the gates. But obviously you have a better idea. Filling the canal in, perhaps?
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 23, 2018 9:49:25 GMT
You said “the true cost of leaving Curdworth available...” etc. So how should CRT have made the flight unavailable? You are right, I did presume that you meant by following the custom and practice of the last 50years or so, which is to chain up the gates. But obviously you have a better idea. Filling the canal in, perhaps? They've padlocked all the paddles on the wigan flight bottom lock. Stop boats = chain gates. Conserve water = lock paddles. It's not rocket science.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 23, 2018 9:55:37 GMT
You said “the true cost of leaving Curdworth available...” etc. So how should CRT have made the flight unavailable? You are right, I did presume that you meant by following the custom and practice of the last 50years or so, which is to chain up the gates. But obviously you have a better idea. Filling the canal in, perhaps? They've padlocked all the paddles on the wigan flight bottom lock. Stop boats = chain gates. Conserve water = lock paddles. It's not rocket science. No, it certainly isn't rocket science, but it does seem to be well beyond the comprehension of Nick and the like-minded twerps at C&RT that he's so anxious to defend. Nb. Back in the days when stoppages were planned and carried out by people who were up to the job, it was standard practice, to save time and unnecessary work, not to stank off the top end of a lock if work was confined to the bottom gates, bottom cill and chamber brick/stonework only. The top paddles would be chained up and then, along with the gate or gates, 'racked-up' with ashes to make the top end just as watertight as it could be made with stop planks, but in a fraction of the time that would have taken.
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