Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:04:55 GMT
I was talking in the tense of the time spent watching the video, not when the event actually took place.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:08:34 GMT
Ps and while we are on something else that really gets my goat is when people use 'of' instead of 'have' in a sentance when it should be the latter. I would of said that people who spell 'sentence' as 'sentance' are hardly in a position to criticise others' spellings/grammar. That is a mere typo. Not a complete substitution of an incorrectly used word.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:10:00 GMT
I love the grammar police... That particular one gets right up my nose......
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Mar 15, 2018 12:57:49 GMT
Deleted
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 13:13:16 GMT
Your looking at a still, there is a tiny torch light and a shadowy thing. In real time that is hardly seen It will have been extremely easy for the bus to have been missed. Your splitting hairs. The conditions were described as treacherous. Visabilty is down to what fifty metres at most. In fact in similar conditions our busses never ran at all. Even the driver said she only just saw the mini through the snow. It was icy and snowy. Yes she drove brilliantly to avoid disaster. Yes the mini driver should of driven with more care. But yes, in my opinion she should have been driving slower. I have not blamed her for the incident and I merely questioned her speed for the conditions. How far does a bus travel in five seconds at 30 mph. I would love to see the busses camera footage. It wasn't travelling at 30mph. She said she was travelling at between 15 and 20 mph. The dash cam image is foreshortening the view making it look like she is travelling faster towards it than she actually is. They are noted for it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 13:14:27 GMT
In my opinion it still would have happened had it been a parked car. As I said your opinion, which you are of course entitled to, is wrong.
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Mar 15, 2018 13:14:50 GMT
Your looking at a still, there is a tiny torch light and a shadowy thing. In real time that is hardly seen It will have been extremely easy for the bus to have been missed. Your splitting hairs. The conditions were described as treacherous. Visabilty is down to what fifty metres at most. In fact in similar conditions our busses never ran at all. Even the driver said she only just saw the mini through the snow. It was icy and snowy. Yes she drove brilliantly to avoid disaster. Yes the mini driver should of driven with more care. But yes, in my opinion she should have been driving slower. I have not blamed her for the incident and I merely questioned her speed for the conditions. How far does a bus travel in five seconds at 30 mph. I would love to see the busses camera footage. It wasn't travelling at 30mph. She said she was travelling at between 15 and 20 mph. The dash cam image is foreshortening the view making it look like she is travelling faster towards it than she actually is. They are noted for it. Yes I agree they do that and make things look closer. I use one. I did edit my post I'll add it in a new one instead
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Mar 15, 2018 13:17:05 GMT
She only starts steering less than a bus length away. If she couldent stop safely?
Bearing in mind that the view of the car would of been less than that view of the bus in your still as she couldent see any lights.
There is another car in the same lane as the camera car that at the point we see the bus disappears from view. In fact you can only just see it in yiur still after that it disapears, Indicating that the bus appears to have come into view well after the mini started it's move.
In my opinion it still would have happened had it been a parked car.
P.s I wasent suggesting she was going at 30 merely trying to provoke you to think about it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 13:25:02 GMT
P.s I wasent suggesting she was going at 30 merely trying to provoke you to think about it. I have thought about it and viewed the video many times. That is why I know you are wrong.
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Mar 15, 2018 13:27:43 GMT
In my opinion it still would have happened had it been a parked car. As I said your opinion, which you are of course entitled to, is wrong. No it's not. Because we will never know it's only a theory. It is in my opinion that she did not see that mini until it was across the road. She even says she just saw it and it happened so fast. Had she seen it start it's manouvure. The distance that bus is away, she should of been able to stop. Why couldent she? I.e the distance shown on your still.
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Mar 15, 2018 13:31:06 GMT
She may not of been driving fast at all. But she probably should of been going even slower. To allow for longer breaking distances and poor visabilty .
She after all is a professional driver.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 13:36:14 GMT
As I said your opinion, which you are of course entitled to, is wrong. No it's not. Yes it is. The road was clear ahead of her well within her visibility meaning she had adequate braking distance in front of her should she have needed to stop. The fact is the Mini (despite your protestations) pulled into that available distance and caused her to have to brake sooner than she other wise would have done, that triggered the skid, had she not needed to brake the skid wouldn't have happened. If the car had been parked neatly at the road side she would have seen it sooner and be able to drive around it. Additionally if it had been parked it wouldn't have been slewed across the road meaning she had to take greater avoiding action, contributing to the extent of the skid.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 13:37:38 GMT
She may not of been driving fast at all. But she probably should of been going even slower. To allow for longer breaking distances and poor visabilty . She after all is a professional driver. It's a fine balance between maintaining progress and losing traction. Go too slow/fast and the latter can happen. If you look at the video you can see the bus is climbing a slight gradient.
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Mar 15, 2018 13:58:45 GMT
She may not of been driving fast at all. But she probably should of been going even slower. To allow for longer breaking distances and poor visabilty . She after all is a professional driver. It's a fine balance between maintaining progress and losing traction. Go too slow and the latter can happen. She says she was going 15 to 20mph. Which I will believe. That covers what 20 to 30 feet per second. From when the mini started to turn to when she went level was ten seconds she travelled up to 200 to 300 feet. Minus some for some breaking. That is some distance in what she describes as a blizzard and snow and ice on the roads. If as you suggest it is as bad to drive slower. Should she of even been driving?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 14:04:58 GMT
It's a fine balance between maintaining progress and losing traction. Go too slow and the latter can happen. If as you suggest it is as bad to drive slower. Should she of even been driving? That wouldn't be her choice. She was either under direction to do so by her employer or the conditions deteriorated rapidly after she began her route.
|
|