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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 18, 2018 18:06:56 GMT
Does a stainless steel chimney take longer to rot away or does it not rot away at all?
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Post by patty on Apr 18, 2018 18:29:04 GMT
Does a stainless steel chimney take longer to rot away or does it not rot away at all? Is 'rot' the right word?..I see wood rotting and metal corroding.... Happy to be proved wrong as i'm aware my education and gender may mean I don't understand these things.... I has spare stainless steel flu and part of that has what looks to be rusty coloured holes...took it to tip as surplus to requirements....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 18:39:19 GMT
A friend had a stainless chimney made for his boat. It looked terrific, but he said it didn't last any longer. I think the only way to make a chimney last is don't use it in winter. But seeing as you're a live aboard you're goosed I've taken to using a a chimney liner, a few inches taller than a single skin chimney. I stuff the gap with good quality silver foil (I see Nick uses expanding foam, I have thought of that but not tried it so far). This has kept the boat clean for us for three winters, as the external part of the chimney is just ornamental. I suspect it will disintegrate when I remove it this summer, but it was only £29. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 18, 2018 18:55:33 GMT
I have a double-skin mild steel chimney which is only about a year old but I let the stove go out today and gave everything a thorough clean-up, swept the flue etc but when I checked the chimney, the inner skin had completely disappeared. I'm wondering about getting a piece of thick (say 4mm) steel pipe instead. Does anyone do this/is it practical etc?
Also wondering whether folk prefer 12" or 18" chimneys and why? I've had both and apart from the taller chimney occasionally bashing a bridge I can't say I noticed any difference.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2018 19:03:42 GMT
I have a double-skin mild steel chimney which is only about a year old but I let the stove go out today and gave everything a thorough clean-up, swept the flue etc but when I checked the chimney, the inner skin had completely disappeared. I'm wondering about getting a piece of thick (say 4mm) steel pipe instead. Does anyone do this/is it practical etc? Also wondering whether folk prefer 12" or 18" chimneys and why? I've had both and apart from the taller chimney occasionally bashing a bridge I can't say I noticed any difference. Having foamed ours, it’s lasting much better but of course we are only part-time users. I also changed where I store it when not in use, used to be in a bow locker, rather damp and cold. Now we store it behind the stove itself so it dries out after use and stays dry. The chimney generally doesn’t get very hot but is cheaply made and badly finished, so bearing in mind the corrosive condensate only corrodes exposed metal, I’m wondering if a decent coating of some quality thick paint (on the inside, on a new one) would keep the corrosion at bay. Even if it does get fairly hot at times, there is plenty of high temperature paint out there (for eg motorbike exhausts).
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 18, 2018 19:10:19 GMT
Does a stainless steel chimney take longer to rot away or does it not rot away at all? Is 'rot' the right word?..I see wood rotting and metal corroding.... Happy to be proved wrong as i'm aware my education and gender may mean I don't understand these things.... Technically you may be correct although there may be regional variations to this- growing up in the south-east of the UK it was common, when cars were not rust-proofed as well as they are nowadays to describe a car as "rotten as a pear/carrot".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 20:42:33 GMT
316 stainless for the liner. 304 is probably OK for the outer bit but ideally the whole thing should be 316.
That's as I understand it anyway. Its all very technical and related to austenitic and martensitic stainless.
The sad truth is that not all stainless is stainless. Its a bit of a fraud situation.
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Post by Stumpy on Apr 18, 2018 23:03:59 GMT
I have a double-skin mild steel chimney which is only about a year old but I let the stove go out today and gave everything a thorough clean-up, swept the flue etc but when I checked the chimney, the inner skin had completely disappeared. I'm wondering about getting a piece of thick (say 4mm) steel pipe instead. Does anyone do this/is it practical etc? Also wondering whether folk prefer 12" or 18" chimneys and why? I've had both and apart from the taller chimney occasionally bashing a bridge I can't say I noticed any difference. I’m wondering if a decent coating of some quality thick paint (on the inside, on a new one) would keep the corrosion at bay. Even if it does get fairly hot at times, there is plenty of high temperature paint out there (for eg motorbike exhausts). I'm trying to recall the commercial name of a high temp lacquer / paint we applied on RR 250 Rear Diffusers. I think it was call Highcote or Hycote. Asides, it was guaranteed to over 400 degrees C. Edited to add: It was Rolls Royce approved, so ideal for a Hudson
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Post by Jim on Apr 19, 2018 6:28:34 GMT
316 stainless for the liner. 304 is probably OK for the outer bit but ideally the whole thing should be 316. That's as I understand it anyway. Its all very technical and related to austenitic and martensitic stainless. The sad truth is that not all stainless is stainless. Its a bit of a fraud situation. Nobody claims its stain free....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 6:29:52 GMT
Stain less.
Not like painless.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 19, 2018 6:52:23 GMT
These chimneys that you find in chandlers these days are Made in China - and you can't figure out why they fall to pieces after a year??!!
From The Daily TELEGRAPH - so it must be true!
Why 'Made in China’ is a mark of shame They say that the first step on the road to recovery is to admit you have a problem. Only now, as the public becomes aware that the "Made in China" label is tainted with a huge number of shoddy and dangerous products, are companies beginning to understand there is a serious problem. The next step is to ask: why do Chinese manufacturers behave so badly?
The nature of the relationship between Chinese suppliers and Western importers is the key to the problem. Chinese factories are typically paid for their wares before they are shipped, so they have every reason to cut a corner or two.
Only after the containers have arrived at their destination are problems uncovered, and taking Chinese factories to court is not an option because of China's underdeveloped legal system.
Chinese manufacturers will do whatever they need to in order to catch a piece of business, but from there, the relationship often goes downhill, albeit in small steps. "Quality fade", the quiet and incremental degradation of a product's quality over time, is one of the more common issues.
Because Chinese manufacturers know that they cannot be matched anywhere else, and also that their Western customers prefer continuity in their supply chain, they feel comfortable nibbling away at quality levels, despite whatever contracts they may have signed. Product failures are, in effect, the result of a game that is being played and lost by Western companies in China.
Much of the problem is cultural. Chinese suppliers believe that what an importer doesn't know can't hurt him. They change product specifications without asking, and they believe that it is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. Quality is seen as a barrier to greater profitability and quality issues are not openly discussed.
Some believe that at the root of the problem is the political system. There is a carrot in China without a counterbalancing stick. China's Communist Party rewards manufacturers that help bring foreign currency into the country through commerce. At the same time, however, there is little or no punishment meted out to those who conduct their businesses in an unethical fashion.
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Post by larkboy on Apr 21, 2018 18:44:28 GMT
I made my own stainless chimney at work about 4 years ago from 1.2mm 304 grade sheet. It's pretty much as as good as new, all I do is respray it each year and clean up the brass bands. I've made around 5 for other people, the oldest one being about 6 years old, and that's still fine.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 21, 2018 18:47:26 GMT
I made my own stainless chimney at work about 4 years ago from 1.2mm 304 grade sheet. It's pretty much as as good as new, all I do is respray it each year and clean up the brass bands. I've made around 5 for other people, the oldest one being about 6 years old, and that's still fine. Damn, I've just bought one from Lime Kiln chandlers but at least I know where to go when that one rots through.
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Post by pearley on Apr 22, 2018 10:10:11 GMT
We bought our current one from The Little Chimney Company who's usually moored near Fazeley.
Our previous stainless one was 3 years old and used a the time (when it was cold enough) and still in good nick but we needed a new liner every year. Gave the old one away to another boater.
We replaced it after the flue was replaced. The old flue was never concentric with the collar so couldn't use a twin walled one. It now is do we can.
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