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Post by JohnV on Apr 19, 2018 20:09:52 GMT
sent off upstream out of the way.....Sabina H pretending to be a tug, towing the keel Gar alongside  SAM_1221 by mudlarker2, on Flickr two tugs, one small, one big, to go into the drydock. The small tug with damage to one propshaft and the big tug with problems with a schottel. A third tug escorting. the big tug has a 9 metre beam  SAM_1222 by mudlarker2, on Flickr  SAM_1225 by mudlarker2, on Flickr  SAM_1227 by mudlarker2, on Flickr  SAM_1230 by mudlarker2, on Flickr All safely in the drydock  SAM_1235 by mudlarker2, on Flickr  SAM_1236 by mudlarker2, on Flickr |
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Post by bargemast on Apr 19, 2018 20:29:43 GMT
Thanks for the posting of these nice photos John.
You've got yourself a great spot there, right next to a working dry dock where the action is.
I don't think somehow that you regret not being stuck in your mud berth anymore.
Peter.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 19, 2018 21:45:25 GMT
I have thoroughly enjoyed being here on the Humber. I have met a lot of really nice people.
The professional boatmen and tugmen have been most welcoming and I have learned a lot from watching them and talking to them.
I particularly enjoy watching the two Mainmast tankers running up and down this river, too big to turn round, they run up empty, backwards with the flood and down forwards at near the top of the tide. They always glide past me at tickover ...... (not like someone else a bit ago who nearly bounced me out of bed).... (a much more occasional visitor to the river thank goodness)
If there was a mooring here where there was easier access rather than the scramble that it can be here sometimes, I don't think I would be going back South. Other places in the area like Goole are lovely to visit but are bit expensive for me as I would have to get a CRT licence and that would probably mean changes to comply with the BSC rather than seagoing practice
Swinderby reversing up the river
damn wrong picture
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Post by JohnV on Apr 19, 2018 21:47:51 GMT
right one this time I hope  SAM_1080 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Edit to add ...... no bowthruster !!! |
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Post by patty on Apr 20, 2018 4:59:54 GMT
What lovely pictures
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Post by bargemast on Apr 20, 2018 6:02:40 GMT
Many "modern" skippers are lost without their bow-thrusters and their very powerful engines.
Of course they can be useful in many circumstances, which is something I won't deny, but I think that under all more normal conditions they should be able to run their boats without the need for full throttle forward and reverse and a hauling bow-thruster first.
Peter.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 20, 2018 7:08:34 GMT
How do they reverse, then? I have reversed our narrowboat often, but when the back end starts going off course, or the wind catches the nose, you gotta put forwards gear on and drive the boat forwards a bit to swing the nose round so you can then give a bit of welly in reverse again. Sometimes it all goes perfectly, other times it goes all over the place with the whole boat drifting to one side or the other and crashing into parked boats, or the nose keeps turning in the wrong direction, due to wind/water currents.
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Post by bodger on Apr 20, 2018 7:36:33 GMT
there are some arrogant purist pricks who believe that using a thruster is heresy.
good luck to'em is wot I say. .......................... oh, and tell them to mind their own business.
personally I believe that believing in a sky fairy is 'heresy' in my terms, but ......
................. there you go.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 20, 2018 7:55:04 GMT
there are some arrogant purist pricks who believe that using a thruster is heresy. good luck to'em is wot I say. .......................... oh, and tell them to mind their own business. personally I believe that believing in a sky fairy is 'heresy' in my terms, but ...... ................. there you go. There's nothing wrong with using a bow-thruster if your boat has one, and you use this gadget when you need it. But very often you can hear bow-thrusters grinding almost all the time, and that's only to make up for the wrong rudder position, that the helmsman (woman) hasn't understood. You wonder how they managed to get the working boats from A to B with engines of 20HP or less, and without bow-thrusters for so many years. Saying that, everybody is free you use their boat the way they want, as it's them that pay for it, and not me (I'm happy to say  ). Peter. |
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Post by bargemast on Apr 20, 2018 8:05:09 GMT
How do they reverse, then? I have reversed our narrowboat often, but when the back end starts going off course, or the wind catches the nose, you gotta put forwards gear on and drive the boat forwards a bit to swing the nose round so you can then give a bit of welly in reverse again. Sometimes it all goes perfectly, other times it goes all over the place with the whole boat drifting to one side or the other and crashing into parked boats, or the nose keeps turning in the wrong direction, due to wind/water currents. These skills only come with many years of pratice, and it looks so easy if you see them doing it. On a short boat it's more difficult, but still possible, with an occasional burst of forward to straiten up again while still continuing the movement in reverse. If you have to go forward, you've waited to long and let the bow swing out too much, slowly does it. Why do people park their boats there where you have to do this sort of manoeuvres, I think that that's most inconsiderate of them, it's maybe only because they want you to crash into them, to get their boats repainted by your insurance  . Peter. |
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Post by Ssscrudddy on Apr 20, 2018 8:27:34 GMT
I don't think that crane is big enough to lift Lashette
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Post by JohnV on Apr 20, 2018 12:35:29 GMT
How do they reverse, then? I have reversed our narrowboat often, but when the back end starts going off course, or the wind catches the nose, you gotta put forwards gear on and drive the boat forwards a bit to swing the nose round so you can then give a bit of welly in reverse again. Sometimes it all goes perfectly, other times it goes all over the place with the whole boat drifting to one side or the other and crashing into parked boats, or the nose keeps turning in the wrong direction, due to wind/water currents. I love watching the guys doing this ...... they are not just reversing a few hundred feet, they reverse several miles up a windy river. As Peter said it's a bit harder with a shortish, beamy boat (Sabina H comes into that class) I have had to be waiting on the river a few times now while there are boat movements and I reverse upstream ...... sometimes I even go where I intended but in spite of watching the experts and listening to their advice I find it extremely difficult. Narrowboats are usually very difficult because they normally lack any sort of keel or chine and have a very short swim. As a result they slide about rather than hold a line. They also have quite a lot of windage. There are rare exeptions but the underwater lines of a modern flat bottomed narrowboat usually are nearer those of a tin bath than a conventional hull. (the much maligned Springers are not too bad in spite of their short swims due to their chined hull) |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 20, 2018 14:40:02 GMT
But then we have amazed people when we 'wind' our boat round just by walking on the towpath and tugging on the rope at the back - 40-foot is handy in small places!
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Post by JohnV on Apr 20, 2018 22:01:16 GMT
Been having a look at the tugs in the drydock ....... the little one is tiny and I have never seen anything quite like it before, Its a tiny square pusher tug, a blunt twin engined mini cat ...... I said earlier about the lack of "boaty shaping" of narrowboats but this would make a tin bath look shapely. It is designed just to push a row of pans around. I don't know what the engine power is but I would think it is quite high judging by the size of the props  SAM_1244 by mudlarker2, on Flickr  SAM_1245 by mudlarker2, on Flickr  SAM_1253 by mudlarker2, on Flickr |
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Post by peterboat on Apr 20, 2018 22:58:58 GMT
What about the big one?
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Is the pub open yet?
