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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 22, 2018 20:02:55 GMT
But then, here's a question, how comes you rarely see 'Made in Ireland/Eire/Northern Ireland' on products? I did buy some chocolates 3 weeks ago from Tesco's that were Made in Ireland: Generally because the cost of transporting them to Great Britain means that it is not economically viable to do so unless it is a relatively high value product.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 22, 2018 20:24:26 GMT
Well, they don't seem to make much of high value, then. Apart from those chocolates.
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Post by Jim on Apr 23, 2018 6:09:58 GMT
There is the small matter of the peace agreement, where we promised to leave the border open. However it suits the lying tories to say its the EU or Eire that are insisting we don't close the border. Despite all the fine words and wittering on, there has been no successful model of a soft border working anywhere across the globe. Chewy asked why I'm singing and dancing, why is it a good thing - I'm one of the approx 50% who voted to remain. We should stay in the EU.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 23, 2018 6:17:10 GMT
erm the original border was pretty soft. it was officially a border but only if you went down the main road.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 23, 2018 6:22:42 GMT
I remember being in Liverpool on a coaster, we just arrived from Modewheel on the MSC when we were hailed by a customs man from the quay.
"Have you just come from Ireland?" ........ "No Manchester, Dublin was last week"....... "Oh, ok then, see you"
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Post by bodger on Apr 23, 2018 7:09:23 GMT
There is the small matter of the peace agreement, where we promised to leave the border open. However it suits the lying tories to say its the EU or Eire that are insisting we don't close the border. Despite all the fine words and wittering on, there has been no successful model of a soft border working anywhere across the globe. Chewy asked why I'm singing and dancing, why is it a good thing - I'm one of the approx 50% who voted to remain. We should stay in the EU. what a load of bollox............... the best example of a soft border that worked exceedingly well was the one in question. ............ what evidence do you have for your baseless statements? were you there? did you cross it several times a day? ................. and before you ask, yes, I did, long before goods were allowed to be freely carried over the border.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 23, 2018 8:47:01 GMT
Same as the above Jim I was in the ARMY and in NI a number of times the border didnt really exist at all sides road were a plenty and nobody patrolled them
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Post by Jim on Apr 23, 2018 9:00:53 GMT
ok a quick edit there has been no successful model of a soft border working anywhere across the globe across which goods can be legally traded. Is that any better lads? I do agree it's upsetting for you, discussing something that may upset the brexit handcart and its baggage.
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Post by bodger on Apr 23, 2018 12:22:20 GMT
ok a quick edit there has been no successful model of a soft border working anywhere across the globe across which goods can be legally traded. Is that any better lads? I do agree it's upsetting for you, discussing something that may upset the brexit handcart and its baggage. I couldn't give a rat's dropping for or against Brexit. Watching someone talking a load of twaddle only upsets me because I don't like to see them embarrassed, but in your case ................... (can't find a head banging emoji). ........... and it seems you've never heard of Free Zones (such as Jebel Ali in Dubai). In practice there will be a hard border, at least for immigration, not on the island, but running down the Irish Sea, just as there always was before free movement in Europe, to prevent unworthy Europeans and illegal immigrants reaching Eire and the entering the UK by the back door. i.e. passport checks at mainland airports and ferry ports. Irish citizens have had the right to travel freely to the UK for several generations.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 23, 2018 18:49:35 GMT
We have now the 'Single Handed' TV series, Irish policeman driving his LandRover-style Garda car round the mountains of western Ireland, here in Finland on Saturday evenings. I didn't know it was from the year 2007. Looks OK for starters, and we have been thinking about nipping over to western Ireland for a week in 2019. Watch this space.
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Post by Jim on Apr 24, 2018 6:16:43 GMT
ok a quick edit there has been no successful model of a soft border working anywhere across the globe across which goods can be legally traded. Is that any better lads? I do agree it's upsetting for you, discussing something that may upset the brexit handcart and its baggage. I couldn't give a rat's dropping for or against Brexit. Watching someone talking a load of twaddle only upsets me because I don't like to see them embarrassed, but in your case ................... (can't find a head banging emoji). ........... and it seems you've never heard of Free Zones (such as Jebel Ali in Dubai). In practice there will be a hard border, at least for immigration, not on the island, but running down the Irish Sea, just as there always was before free movement in Europe, to prevent unworthy Europeans and illegal immigrants reaching Eire and the entering the UK by the back door. i.e. passport checks at mainland airports and ferry ports. Irish citizens have had the right to travel freely to the UK for several generations. That solution has been proposed but the dupers won't have it "we want to be English and the same as you" they whine. And they hold the keys to Tess' magic money tree and unicorn stable.
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Post by bodger on Apr 24, 2018 7:23:31 GMT
In practice there will be a hard border, at least for immigration, not on the island, but running down the Irish Sea, just as there always was before free movement in Europe, to prevent unworthy Europeans and illegal immigrants reaching Eire and the entering the UK by the back door. i.e. passport checks at mainland airports and ferry ports. Irish citizens have had the right to travel freely to the UK for several generations. That solution has been proposed but the dupers won't have it "we want to be English and the same as you" they whine. And they hold the keys to Tess' magic money tree and unicorn stable. it's not a new solution - it always was that way and there were no complaints.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 24, 2018 8:25:21 GMT
I wouldnt worry to much Jim I suspect we will crash out of the EU, the satellite system we have hugely funded is one issue, and some of the other stuff to not allow passporting rights for the finance is another, they keep on digging all the time when they should be looking at what the member states are saying. The commission is so far out of touch but that always happens to empires and it will be no different this time fiddling whilst the EU burns
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 26, 2018 7:29:23 GMT
"Brussels wants British holidaymakers to pay £6 visa fee when they visit one of 27 European nations after Brexit" - that's OK, we'll charge £10 for any EU nationals wanting to enter Britain. "But the EU also hopes the scheme will help to fill the £11.5billion budget ‘black hole’ caused by Britain’s departure." - oh, so they ARE dependant on the UK after all! "Perhaps Mrs Merkel will introduce a visa charge for all Germany's 'new arrivals' from other continents if they want to secure their borders. Then again there's more chance of Jean-Claude Juncker giving up the booze." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5657345/British-holidaymakers-heading-Europe-face-6-visa-fee-Brexit.html
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Post by peterboat on Apr 26, 2018 8:28:32 GMT
"Brussels wants British holidaymakers to pay £6 visa fee when they visit one of 27 European nations after Brexit" - that's OK, we'll charge £10 for any EU nationals wanting to enter Britain. "But the EU also hopes the scheme will help to fill the £11.5billion budget ‘black hole’ caused by Britain’s departure." - oh, so they ARE dependant on the UK after all! "Perhaps Mrs Merkel will introduce a visa charge for all Germany's 'new arrivals' from other continents if they want to secure their borders. Then again there's more chance of Jean-Claude Juncker giving up the booze." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5657345/British-holidaymakers-heading-Europe-face-6-visa-fee-Brexit.htmlSure fire way of making sure the coffers of other countries are full and the EUs are empty perfik
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