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Post by kris on Apr 20, 2018 12:51:34 GMT
There seems to be a rise in commercial dog walkers using towpaths to make their money. This is something that I've seen before, but where I am now there are two who visit the towpath on average two times a day. They use a car park that is supposed to be for boaters moored on some cart moorings. Then walk at least four dogs a time. I'm wondering what cart's position on this is, as its using the canal for commercial gain I wonder if they pay for a permit. I know in some places they are banned from public parks.
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Post by Gone on Apr 20, 2018 12:54:55 GMT
I am not saying that they don't 'pick-up' after their dogs, but presumably as it's private land council rules don't apply, which could be another reason. Of course it maybe that they just enjoy canals.
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Post by kris on Apr 20, 2018 12:59:37 GMT
I am not saying that they don't 'pick-up' after their dogs, but presumably as it's private land council rules don't apply, which could be another reason. Of course it maybe that they just enjoy canals. It's an interesting point you make about picking up after their dogs. I've not paid enough attention to notice that. I'm sure some do and some don't. It's just a thought that came to me this morning after seeing two of them parked in what is a small car park assigned for boaters. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:06:25 GMT
I think it was part of an agreement when CRT was set up that the public would have access to most (if not all) CRT owned towpaths (this didn't confer a right of way, more a permissive arrangement). If the public have access then the 'pick up' rules apply and in most cases the council can enforce provided they have 'resources' to do so.
Good luck to any CRT bod who thinks creating a licence for dog walkers on towpaths would be anything other than a drain on limited funds...
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Post by kris on Apr 20, 2018 13:09:45 GMT
I think it was part of an agreement when CRT was set up that the public would have access to most (if not all) CRT owned towpaths (this didn't confer a right of way, more a permissive arrangement). If the public have access then the 'pick up' rules apply and in most cases the council can enforce provided they have 'resources' to do so. Good luck to any CRT bod who thinks creating a licence for dog walkers on towpaths would be anything other than a drain on limited funds... You have missed the point completely. It's not about private individuals walking their dogs. The post is about people using the canal for commercial gain. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:18:17 GMT
I think it was part of an agreement when CRT was set up that the public would have access to most (if not all) CRT owned towpaths (this didn't confer a right of way, more a permissive arrangement). If the public have access then the 'pick up' rules apply and in most cases the council can enforce provided they have 'resources' to do so. Good luck to any CRT bod who thinks creating a licence for dog walkers on towpaths would be anything other than a drain on limited funds... You have missed the point completely. It's not about private individuals walking their dogs. The post is about people using the canal for commercial gain. I didn't miss the point. Try proving commercial gain... what do you want to achieve - CRT to have 'stop and search' legal stuff for all dog walkers. How do you think CRT will be able to enforce any licence or stop commercial dog walkers without pissing off large numbers of non-commercial dog walkers? |
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Post by kris on Apr 20, 2018 13:23:36 GMT
You have missed the point completely. It's not about private individuals walking their dogs. The post is about people using the canal for commercial gain. I didn't miss the point. Try proving commercial gain... what do you want to achieve - CRT to have 'stop and search' legal stuff for all dog walkers. How do you think CRT will be able to enforce any licence or stop commercial dog walkers without pissing off large numbers of non-commercial dog walkers? Try looking at the van with "such and such dog walkers" written on it. That tends to prove that it's a commercial enterprise. If cart are so poor as they keep saying then surely every revenue stream is worth pursuing. Or maybe it's because your not a boater that you don't mind boaters being the only ones forced to contribute. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:36:46 GMT
I didn't miss the point. Try proving commercial gain... what do you want to achieve - CRT to have 'stop and search' legal stuff for all dog walkers. How do you think CRT will be able to enforce any licence or stop commercial dog walkers without pissing off large numbers of non-commercial dog walkers? Try looking at the van with "such and such dog walkers" written on it. That tends to prove that it's a commercial enterprise. If cart are so poor as they keep saying then surely every revenue stream is worth pursuing. Or maybe it's because your not a boater that you don't mind boaters being the only ones forced to contribute. I'll be a boater soon... hopefully... CRT get a big percentage of their income that essentially comes from general taxation (i.e. people are 'forced' to contribute). I'd like to see that source of income continue as I don't believe CRT will find other incomes to replace it. Ideas only become good if a revenue stream follows and I can't see this happening with your idea. Regarding parking why haven't CRT installed barriers or pay and display for non boaters, I suspect that the costs outweigh any potential income - it would probably also just result in the vans being parked half a mile away anyway. |
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Post by kris on Apr 20, 2018 13:48:46 GMT
It's not an idea, I haven't suggested anything I've only made an observation that commercial dog walking on the towpaths seems to be on the rise. It seems public parks have no problem making sure they don't carry out their business on their property. How come it's so difficult for crt, after all general taxation goes into public parks. By the way if financial sensibilities where considered in cart's policies then the section 8 process wouldn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:55:03 GMT
It's not an idea, I haven't suggested anything I've only made an observation that commercial dog walking on the towpaths seems to be on the rise. It seems public parks have no problem making sure they don't carry out their business on their property. How come it's so difficult for crt, after all general taxation goes into public parks. By the way if financial sensibilities where considered in cart's policies then the section 8 process wouldn't happen. Public parks are relatively easier to police and unless I'm mistaken most of them just have a limit on the number of dogs (5 or over). Agree about the S8 process. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 20, 2018 16:13:52 GMT
I'm considering a duck-walking business. CRT have provided special lanes for that kind of thing. So there.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 20, 2018 16:14:53 GMT
I am not saying that they don't 'pick-up' after their dogs, but presumably as it's private land council rules don't apply, which could be another reason. Of course it maybe that they just enjoy canals. It's an interesting point you make about picking up after their dogs. I've not paid enough attention to notice that. I'm sure some do and some don't. It's just a thought that came to me this morning after seeing two of them parked in what is a small car park assigned for boaters. Put baked beans on their cars? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5630275/Driver-returned-tin-BAKED-BEANS-dumped-car.html |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 20, 2018 16:17:34 GMT
Good luck to any CRT bod who thinks creating a licence for dog walkers on towpaths would be anything other than a drain on limited funds... Why a drain? £700/year for each walker (or each dog!). That's what we have to pay CRT. And we're not even making any commercial gain, just pouring our money into canal-side businesses. Supervision is a doddle - CRT 'enforcement officers' 'force' commercial dog walkers to show their £700 licences. If they don't have one, they get taken to Court and fined heavily. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 16:18:32 GMT
I'm considering a duck-walking business. CRT have provided special lanes for that kind of thing. So there. I think you've quacked it. You could sell people duck food and give them a bill. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 16:19:45 GMT
Good luck to any CRT bod who thinks creating a licence for dog walkers on towpaths would be anything other than a drain on limited funds... Why a drain? £700/year for each walker (or each dog!). That's what we have to pay CRT. And we're not even making any commercial gain, just pouring our money into canal-side businesses. Do dogs use locks and RSW type facilities? If not why should they pay for all this ? |
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