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Post by thebfg on May 27, 2018 18:02:25 GMT
the problem is keys are readily available on eBay and places. really they need to be security type keys that can't be cut anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:06:32 GMT
Our kid used to have a camper, and if nearby used to use elsans.
He bought a BW key (as it was).
Don't see a problem as long as the services are used as intended.
He would have happily paid a charge if required (over and above the £5 key).
Rog
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Post by thebfg on May 27, 2018 18:14:56 GMT
it's interesting hearing about Elsan disposal. I've never come across campsites that charge.
I do appreciate that many wild camp though.
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Post by sandk on May 27, 2018 18:17:03 GMT
the problem is keys are readily available on eBay and places. really they need to be security type keys that can't be cut anywhere. I don't think security keys would work. I worked for the local water authority for 10 years, I could get security keys, (that shouldn't be copied) cut at a locksmith's for next to nothing. There is always away around situations. There needs to be a way to charge non boaters to use the services. I'm afraid I'm right out of ideas on how it could be implemented.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 27, 2018 18:17:18 GMT
What "normal nonsense"? I'm unqualified to say as I have had absolutely no experience of 'outsiders' using the CRT facilities. Of course, much of them are available such as the rubbish bins at Brighouse, anyone can dump their trash in them. But then you can just go round the back of any shop and stick your rubbish in the dumpster, or any building site / road works skip will also do. I've read that BW 'Watermate' keys are easily obtainable - we bought one from a chandlery - and so, theoretically, camper vans / caravanners could use the CRT Elsan disposal 'Black Holes of Calcutta' - I don't really believe they do in general, as why, on their travels, would they happen to be near such facilities? They can't get their vehicles close enough to water taps positioned for boats to fill up. I would suppose those 'outsiders' dwell in their own world and have their own places or methods, and I'd imagine their impact if they did occasionally use a CRT Elsan point to be so tiny as to not be worth even considering.
I'd say the biggest waste of money within CRT is with the 'managers at Head Office' withdrawing obscene salaries and coming up constantly with hair-brained schemes such as the duck lanes, various silly signs, and this latest pointless logo. It does look as if they can carry on without any kind of supervision from the Government...
My 'sensible sugestion' would be a return to the days of 'lengthsmen' ('lock keepers') who are responsible for a stretch of the waterway, who would tell any pilfering caravanner connected to a CRT hosepipe, or emptying their sewage on CRT property, or filling up the CRT bins, to Bugger Off and even have the right to demand a charge for the use of the facilities. Clamp the wheels of their vehicle until they cough up.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 27, 2018 18:18:04 GMT
the problem is keys are readily available on eBay and places. really they need to be security type keys that can't be cut anywhere. Who would cut the first ones? You haven't thought this through, have you?
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Post by sandk on May 27, 2018 18:21:13 GMT
it's interesting hearing about Elsan disposal. I've never come across campsites that charge. I do appreciate that many wild camp though. Campsites don't charge, on top of pitch fees to use Elsan or fresh water if you are staying there. Some, but not enough will let you pull on to empty grey water, cassettes, and fill with fresh water. One I use now and again charge me £2 to empty and fill.
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Post by thebfg on May 27, 2018 18:44:43 GMT
the problem is keys are readily available on eBay and places. really they need to be security type keys that can't be cut anywhere. Who would cut the first ones? You haven't thought this through, have you? the person who has the paperwork. the font door of our building is a security key and the local key cutter won't cut another one.
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Post by thebfg on May 27, 2018 18:45:26 GMT
it's interesting hearing about Elsan disposal. I've never come across campsites that charge. I do appreciate that many wild camp though. Campsites don't charge, on top of pitch fees to use Elsan or fresh water if you are staying there. Some, but not enough will let you pull on to empty grey water, cassettes, and fill with fresh water. One I use now and again charge me £2 to empty and fill. must just be the campsites we use. never seen charges for filling or emptying anything.
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Post by sandk on May 27, 2018 18:51:23 GMT
Campsites don't charge, on top of pitch fees to use Elsan or fresh water if you are staying there. Some, but not enough will let you pull on to empty grey water, cassettes, and fill with fresh water. One I use now and again charge me £2 to empty and fill. must just be the campsites we use. never seen charges for filling or emptying anything. Is this when you aren't actually camping there? They just let anyone on site to fill/empty FOC, then you bugger off again?
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Post by Jim on May 27, 2018 19:43:46 GMT
Maybe there is only room for one boat at a time in which case boater's facilities would be technically correct. It may be that different boaters use it but if it is being used at any one time by one boater then it is boater's facilities ie facilities for a boater. This does not imply that it is specific to one particular individual boater. I have not been in Nantwich since 1999 so I can not recall the length of the mooring. what happens if the boat is not single handed and has two boaters on board. Then it's boaters' facilities. Unless you are a boating gro'cer, then put them where you want.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 20:28:17 GMT
what happens if the boat is not single handed and has two boaters on board. Then it's boaters' facilities...[] No it isnt' because the said facilities do not usually get used by more than one individual at a time. The term "Boater's facilities" conjures up an image in my mind of a fairly limited set of services. Toilets. Chemical toilet disposal "the Costa del San", Pumpout machine / shitsnake. Rubbish bins. Water point. In my sheltered type experience these are things generally used by one person i.e. a boater. OK so maybe two people might happen to throw some rubbish in a bin simultaneously but other than that I don't believe it is probable that multiple boaters would use the facilities. Multiple boaters may use the mooring to tie a boat up but that is a different topic.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 20:38:55 GMT
Many facilities have multiple taps, so BOATERS can water up simultaneously. Some have showers, toilets and elsans too so BOATERS can use a variety of services simultaneously. You should try and get out more Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 20:40:14 GMT
Then it's boaters' facilities...[] isnt' Have a Twat'!
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Post by JohnV on May 27, 2018 20:53:09 GMT
surely T'wat in t' vernacular
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