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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 9:17:40 GMT
I'm guessing this process will be an 'every five years' thing as the last one only lasted that long. Or is this change an admission by management that they got the last one horribly wrong? I didn't think so Rog
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Post by kris on May 26, 2018 9:25:32 GMT
I'm guessing this process will be an 'every five years' thing as the last one only lasted that long. Or is this change an admission by management that they got the last one horribly wrong? I didn't think so Rog Carts managment don't admit they get things wrong, that's what the lower paid staff are for. It's just a cynical attempt to show they have changed into the " natural health service" to try and blag some more money.
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Post by lollygagger on May 26, 2018 9:43:50 GMT
I'm guessing this process will be an 'every five years' thing as the last one only lasted that long. Or is this change an admission by management that they got the last one horribly wrong? I didn't think so Rog Carts managment don't admit they get things wrong, that's what the lower paid staff are for. It's just a cynical attempt to show they have changed into the " natural health service" to try and blag some more money. I think it's more desperate than cynical. The majority of the funding comes from government so CRT have to do two things. One is to demonstrate their need for all this cash by failing to keep up with maintenance, the other is to give the appearance that vast numbers of taxpayers derive some benefit from the money. Without the tax money the game's off so it's hardly surprising that this is their focus. Meanwhile they also must demonstrate that they are doing all they can to self-fund by flogging off what they can, ramping up license fees, borrowing money and reinvesting it etc etc. Maintaining the waterways is almost self defeating in their big picture.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 9:52:49 GMT
I'm guessing this process will be an 'every five years' thing as the last one only lasted that long. Or is this change an admission by management that they got the last one horribly wrong? I didn't think so Rog Carts managment don't admit they get things wrong, that's what the lower paid staff are for. It's just a cynical attempt to show they have changed into the " natural health service" to try and blag some more money. I wouldn't be surprised to see the dynamic duo of Parry and Leighton being called before a select committee of mp's at some point, especially if Labour wins the next election. In 5 years from now, CRT's total income will have exceeded over 2 billion quid in 10 years. A lot of money for a canal system of a couple of thousand miles, when compared to highways etc. The penny will drop at some point as scepticism mounts.
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Post by kris on May 26, 2018 9:59:13 GMT
Carts managment don't admit they get things wrong, that's what the lower paid staff are for. It's just a cynical attempt to show they have changed into the " natural health service" to try and blag some more money. I wouldn't be surprised to see the dynamic duo of Parry and Leighton being called before a select committee of mp's at some point, especially if Labour wins the next election. In 5 years from now, CRT's total income will have exceeded over 2 billion quid in 10 years. A lot of money for a canal system of a couple of thousand miles, when compared to highways etc. The penny will drop at some point as scepticism mounts. Let's hope so. There can't be any boaters except the most blinkered that think cart are doing a good job after what's happened this year so far. Regardless of the outcome, the way the liscence review was conducted leaves a lot to be desired. Then the borrowing of 150million from the money markets? Then follow it up with this nonsense about rebranding and becoming "the natural health service?" Surely there can't be anybody who is paying attention that thinks this is all okay and perfectly normal behaviour for a navigation authority? woops they getting up to so much this year that I forgot to mention the selling off public property in the form of the marinas.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 26, 2018 14:14:34 GMT
Well, there ya go. Time to write that letter to your MP.
Whatever happened to Gigoguy's blockade of the Bridgewater Canal?
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Post by jam on May 26, 2018 22:36:36 GMT
So they certainly lied about being 'phased in'. Along with clothing issue. There were two volunteers doing some shrubbery work in Congleton yesterday, sporting new tops with the new logo.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 27, 2018 5:34:03 GMT
Old CRT uniform on Ebay?
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Post by thebfg on May 27, 2018 9:30:29 GMT
Maybe there is only room for one boat at a time in which case boater's facilities would be technically correct. It may be that different boaters use it but if it is being used at any one time by one boater then it is boater's facilities ie facilities for a boater. This does not imply that it is specific to one particular individual boater. I have not been in Nantwich since 1999 so I can not recall the length of the mooring. what happens if the boat is not single handed and has two boaters on board.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 11:02:21 GMT
Maybe there is only room for one boat at a time in which case boater's facilities would be technically correct. It may be that different boaters use it but if it is being used at any one time by one boater then it is boater's facilities ie facilities for a boater. This does not imply that it is specific to one particular individual boater. I have not been in Nantwich since 1999 so I can not recall the length of the mooring. what happens if the boat is not single handed and has two boaters on board. That could get a bit technical. Each boater on board is an individual therefore they are separate entities and if either or both of them were using any of the facilities they would be using a boater's facility. It is physically impossible for an individual to do two separate things (or is that just me). I stand by my assertion that boater's facilities is correct. The problem arises when you find a rambler with a BW water mate key. Then it gets awfully complicated.
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Post by kris on May 27, 2018 11:05:24 GMT
what happens if the boat is not single handed and has two boaters on board The problem arises when you find a rambler with a BW water mate key. Then it gets awfully complicated. Or even one of the many camper vans that have keys, so that they can empty their elsans without paying.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 11:24:34 GMT
The problem arises when you find a rambler with a BW water mate key. Then it gets awfully complicated. Or even one of the many camper vans that have keys, so that they can empty their elsans without paying. Maybe CRT could highlight this free resource as part of their rebranding exercise - would get the caravanners 'on message', maybe a free key to all who sign up as 'Friends'!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 11:27:08 GMT
I have for a long time thought that boater's facilities i.e. shit and rubbish disposal points should be on boats which are moored in such a way that there is no access for anyone other than a boater on a boat.
That would reduce the amount of abuse and also it would introduce a business opportunity for someone to move these boats to suitable disposal points. I know it's a bit complicated but it does seem a bit ridiculous that facilities intended to be used by a boater can be used by any tom dick or Harry who just happens to have the right key. Very rude.
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Post by kris on May 27, 2018 12:47:53 GMT
I have for a long time thought that boater's facilities i.e. shit and rubbish disposal points should be on boats which are moored in such a way that there is no access for anyone other than a boater on a boat. That would reduce the amount of abuse and also it would introduce a business opportunity for someone to move these boats to suitable disposal points. I know it's a bit complicated but it does seem a bit ridiculous that facilities intended to be used by a boater can be used by any tom dick or Harry who just happens to have the right key. Very rude. whilst not a bad idea, I don't think it would be practical in a lot of locations.
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Post by sandk on May 27, 2018 13:04:36 GMT
The problem arises when you find a rambler with a BW water mate key. Then it gets awfully complicated. Or even one of the many camper vans that have keys, so that they can empty their elsans without paying. It seems my cover as been blown. Don't forget campervans use cart water points if we can get close enough to fill the onboard tank. I would be quite happy to pay for what I use I just don't see a way of paying cart.
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