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Post by bargemast on May 28, 2018 14:12:14 GMT
Whilst undoubtedly there are some piss takers I think these are in the minority and could have easily been sorted out by cart. But it's more of a dislike of livaboard boaters in general that motivates cart in my opinion. I think "in the minority" is correct if you take it nationally, however in certain restricted areas I suspect they come close to being the majority. The problem is that there are groups who are very vocal about the "problem of liveaboards" where what they actually mean is the problem in very specific areas. It is the same with the widebeam "problem" There is no getting away from the fact that on some canals in some areas a very fat, fat boat is a total PITA for other boaters but hardly one in a canal bilt for 500 ton barges The fear is that yet again, in response to certain vocal interest groups a draconian national response will hit the innocent who are quietly and peacefully, continuous cruising without causing problems for anyone.I remember (5 years ago?) in the other place saying London was a growing problem and if it was not jumped on early, it was going to spiral and cause massive problems. I remember very clearly the general reaction ........ it seems that people look at the writing on the wall and just think it's grafiti If they wouldn't have let it go on for such a long time without sorting things out in and around London, it could have been much easier, but as (I think) most people are too selfish, and don't give a toss for the rest, and now the draconian national response will be a sledgehammer to crack a simple nut, it's too bad.
As you say John, the writing on the wall was ignored, and probably looked at as if it was grafiti.
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Post by twbm2 on May 28, 2018 14:20:24 GMT
That does not sound very promissing at all, this has been caused for a big part (if not completely) by the hard-core piss-takers.
All the others are punished for the bad attitude of these short sighted fools.
Peter.
Every single piece of restrictive legislation there is has ever been is as a result of piss takers.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 14:24:57 GMT
That does not sound very promissing at all, this has been caused for a big part (if not completely) by the hard-core piss-takers.
All the others are punished for the bad attitude of these short sighted fools.
Peter.
Every single piece of restrictive legislation there is has ever been is as a result of piss takers. And the legislation nearly always affected others far more than it affected the piss takers.
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Post by Telemachus on May 28, 2018 14:32:52 GMT
Part of the trouble with the “short sighted fools” is that I get the impression that many aren’t that interested in boating, they just want cheap accommodation. (I’m talking about London boaters). If that source of cheap accommodation dries up they'll just move on to the next easiest thing. They won’t miss their boats other than for financial reasons. Contrary to popular belief I have nothing against live aboards provided they don’t take the piss and share nicely (which most do). At one stage I thought it would be nice to retire onto the boat but I’ve come to the conclusion that I have too many other hobbies and interests to make that viable - I need too much space, and to be located within reach of the gliding club. So I’ll stick with a couple of months on the cut in summer, and plenty of weekends and the odd few weeks the rest of the year. Best of both worlds! You are free to do what you want, and you're lucky enough to have the choice, or in your case many choices, but the idea of needing space is mainly in our heads
I think,stupidly that I need lot's of space too, something I haven't got, that's why it has become impossible to move around on the boat I live (survive) on, and waste my 600 euro retirement on 2 rented lock ups that are bursting with all sort of stuff.
Nowadays I'm reading lots of vlogs of people that manage to get rid of everything and down-scaled so much that they can happily travel around, wherever they want to go in smallish converted vans, with all their possessions included, and they all say that they're much happier now than in the big houses they owned before, or were still paying for working 3 jobs to pay for the luxioury of never having time to enjoy their houses.
That may be a bit extreme, but it may help to get used to the space where we're all going to end up in one day.
I only hope that that day will be far away, and that I manage in the meantime to reduce drasticly in the amount of stuff I don't need to live, and have a chance for at least a couple of years before they lay me down in the (I hope) cardboard box, that will be burned in a jiffy, without too much pollution.
Peter.
Most people don’t have what I would call hobbies, skills to be excercised etc. Those people clutter their houses up with books, DVDs, little porcelain animals, pictures, furniture, clothes that are never worn, or whatever. Yes I would agree that they don’t actually need the space and it could all be dumped. The clutter expands to fill the space available! My clutter is all about doing stuff, tools and equipment etc. And I need space to maintain my vehicles, my rather enormous glider, mess about with electronics etc. Obviously we do have some unnecessary clutter in our house and I would not be too sad to lose it, but I would resent losing my ability to do stuff and be productive. Yes I do have a choice but I don’t think it’s particularly lucky, it’s fairly average for people of my generation to own their houses. One of the reasons why I have spare cash to be able to go boating etc is because for various reasons I decided not to blow several hundred thousand on bringing up kids. I think the exchange rate is roughly one child to two Hudsons!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 14:37:03 GMT
That does not sound very promissing at all, this has been caused for a big part (if not completely) by the hard-core piss-takers.
All the others are punished for the bad attitude of these short sighted fools.
Peter.
Every single piece of restrictive legislation there is has ever been is as a result of piss takers. That’s true (extremists). Can I just add, there are always piss takers on both sides of the political and religious spectrum. Maybe they were badly hurt by someone. Worth bearing in mind!
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 28, 2018 14:43:14 GMT
That does not sound very promissing at all, this has been caused for a big part (if not completely) by the hard-core piss-takers.
All the others are punished for the bad attitude of these short sighted fools.
Peter.
Every single piece of restrictive legislation there is has ever been is as a result of piss takers. I go along with that sentiment, . . . up to a point, but it's probably nearer the mark in this instance to say that the so-called ''piss-takers'' have simply provided a welcome excuse for C&RT to exercise it's corporate megalomania.
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Post by kris on May 28, 2018 14:57:22 GMT
If seen in a positive light, the "problem" in London could have been an opputunity. The majority of people moving onto boats in London are younger than the average boater in the rest of the country. They are carts next generation of paying customers, so why criminalise them? Yes there are a percentage that just want cheap accomadation. But these will fall by the wayside. But no cart choose to carry on the us and them attitude of BW.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 14:58:59 GMT
Every single piece of restrictive legislation there is has ever been is as a result of piss takers. I go along with that sentiment, . . . up to a point, but it's probably nearer the mark in this instance to say that the so-called ''piss-takers'' have simply provided a welcome excuse for C&RT to exercise it's corporate megalomania. I go along with that Tony...but not in the way you think! I’m still not sure how fighting over navigable channels and light boats (turned into nightclubs) are more important than loosing our history, heritage, brains or soul TBH... Still, the policy is working..
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 15:09:45 GMT
If seen in a positive light, the "problem" in London could have been an opputunity. The majority of people moving onto boats in London are younger than the average boater in the rest of the country. They are carts next generation of paying customers, so why criminalise them? Yes there are a percentage that just want cheap accomadation. But these will fall by the wayside. But no cart choose to carry on the us and them attitude of BW. TBH, the whole London thing is a con (and any major city you can think of). The media promote happiness based on a false promise Why do people suck up to this shit. If I actually want to spend time in London, then I just visit. I’m much happier pottering around on the boat most of the time I’m sure most people in third world countries are happier. Shame Coca Cola messesd it up.
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Post by kris on May 28, 2018 15:35:43 GMT
Surely there can't be many apologists for cart like Nick left?
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Post by Telemachus on May 28, 2018 16:03:00 GMT
Surely there can’t be many permanently angry paranoid nutters like Krissy left?
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Post by kris on May 28, 2018 16:45:26 GMT
Did somebody say something?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 16:51:10 GMT
Surely there can’t be many permanently angry paranoid nutters like Krissy left? Just to help Kris out!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 17:14:38 GMT
Surely there can’t be many permanently angry paranoid nutters like Krissy left? Just to help Kris out! This is strange, I don’t see Kris and any of those. He’s just one of the last around who cares about the world. One of the few on CWF in fact. Now it seems one of the last on this silly muppet of a forum.
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Post by kris on May 28, 2018 17:18:36 GMT
This is strange, I don’t see Kris and any of those. He’s just one of the last around who cares about the world. One of the few on CWF in fact. Now it seems one of the last on this silly muppet of a forum. it very telling that the people who delight in calling me names for being aware of what's going on, don't actually live on boats so won't be so effected by a change in the legislation for boats without home moorings.
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