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Post by Delta9 on Jun 24, 2016 18:21:50 GMT
Britain is not supposed to be a direct democracy, it never has been, and for good reason. Even in a direct democracy 52% of the population should not be enough to decide on such an important matter. You really are a sore loser, aren't you? I'm quite sure you would have considered a 52% vote in favour of "remain" to be a resounding endorsement of our membership. We won and you lost. Suck it up, Buttercup! As I've said before, I don't think there should have been a referendum in the first place. Today everyone is a loser, but a lot of them are too thick to realise that yet.
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Post by smileypete on Jun 24, 2016 18:26:38 GMT
I don't think Cameron had much choice. UKIP were making enormous inroads into the popular vote and it was only a matter of time before mass Conservative defections. The real losers are Labour who, had they stood on an anti-eu ticket, would almost certainly have been in power now. I wonder if Labour since Blair are in fact neo-liberal. I though the idea of socialism was to provide jobs and a decent standard of living for all, how that's supposed to happen with greater competition on jobs and pressure on pubic services I don't know.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 24, 2016 18:29:48 GMT
You really are a sore loser, aren't you? I'm quite sure you would have considered a 52% vote in favour of "remain" to be a resounding endorsement of our membership. We won and you lost. Suck it up, Buttercup! As I've said before, I don't think there should have been a referendum in the first place. Today everyone is a loser, but a lot of them are too thick to realise that yet. Well, I must be one of those who is too thick to realise it, because I have watched my living standards being eroded for well over a decade now, and it's all entirely attributable to our eu membership. Perhaps I'm too thick to see how a hundred million Turks, Macedonians and Albanians competing for jobs and housing would help the situation, but then we working class are a bit thick like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 18:31:17 GMT
Britain is not supposed to be a direct democracy, it never has been, and for good reason. Even in a direct democracy 52% of the population should not be enough to decide on such an important matter. But 25% of the population was enough to vote Cameron in. That was also an important matter. Now look what's happened...
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 24, 2016 18:33:23 GMT
Britain is not supposed to be a direct democracy, it never has been, and for good reason. Even in a direct democracy 52% of the population should not be enough to decide on such an important matter. But 25% of the population was enough to vote Cameron in. That was also an important matter. Now look what's happened... Exactly... The whole system is fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 18:36:42 GMT
I don't think Cameron had much choice. UKIP were making enormous inroads into the popular vote and it was only a matter of time before mass Conservative defections. The real losers are Labour who, had they stood on an anti-eu ticket, would almost certainly have been in power now. I wonder if Labour since Blair are in fact neo-liberal. I though the idea of socialism was to provide jobs and a decent standard of living for all, how that's supposed to happen with greater competition on jobs and pressure on pubic services I don't know. I think Neil Kinnock led labour down the yellow brick road, ( they are still there).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 18:41:11 GMT
Cameron kept saying all along, "we're in this together".
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Post by smileypete on Jun 24, 2016 19:12:51 GMT
Thinking of having a butchers at the other channel later. Should I have my sick bag at the ready for the inevitable patronising moderator interventions, or is it too bad to be bothering with?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 24, 2016 21:54:54 GMT
It's not as if it was a huge issue in the last general election.... Have you forgotten the last election? UKIP got more votes than the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP. This freaked the crap out of Cameron. The working class had finally had enough and had found a new party to vote for, and if "Call me Dave" hadn't called a referendum then UKIP would almost have made inroads into the Conservative vote at the next election.
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Post by macwolfelee on Jun 24, 2016 22:11:50 GMT
Have you forgotten the last election? UKIP got more votes than the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP. This freaked the crap out of Cameron. The working class had finally had enough and had found a new party to vote for, and if "Call me Dave" hadn't called a referendum then UKIP would almost have made inroads into the Conservative vote at the next election. So you agree that this whole shambles came about simply because Cameron panicked and to keep the Tories in power? Disgraceful. What a legacy.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 24, 2016 22:22:10 GMT
Have you forgotten the last election? UKIP got more votes than the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP. This freaked the crap out of Cameron. The working class had finally had enough and had found a new party to vote for, and if "Call me Dave" hadn't called a referendum then UKIP would almost have made inroads into the Conservative vote at the next election. So you agree that this whole shambles came about simply because Cameron panicked and to keep the Tories in power? Disgraceful. What a legacy. There isn't a "shambles". For decades nobody asked us what we thought about the eu, and then finally Nigel Farage gave us a voice and we voted. This completely freaked the Labour/Conservative power-sharing arrangement out. Cameron finally got it into his thick head that if he didn't start listening to ordinary working class people- not just Delta9's privileged friends with University degrees- then he was toast. But he was a bit too late, so he is now toast and good riddance to him.
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 24, 2016 22:33:21 GMT
My friends would laugh at your assessment of them. Most of my friends are far from privileged
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Post by macwolfelee on Jun 24, 2016 23:08:41 GMT
It is no longer a privilege to have a university degree, as hundreds of thousands of unemployed and debt-ridden graduates will tell you.
'Privileged friends with university degrees' is just anti-intellectual unthinking prejudice.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 24, 2016 23:34:32 GMT
It is no longer a privilege to have a university degree, as hundreds of thousands of unemployed and debt-ridden graduates will tell you. 'Privileged friends with university degrees' is just anti-intellectual unthinking prejudice. Yes, I do know that. I guess I was just responding to Delta9's suggestion that young people with degrees were more likely to vote remain because they are more educated and intelligent compared to less-educated senile old coffin-dodgers like me. The simple fact is that in my day you didn't need a degree to work in a coffee shop, and you didn't have to take on £15,000's worth of debt to get a job in a coffee shop. Or be on the dole. Hey, here's a thought. Perhaps the young people of today are the thickos?
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 24, 2016 23:43:01 GMT
I think you misunderstood my suggestion..
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