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Post by Bad-Bitch on Jun 25, 2016 13:46:31 GMT
Cameron kept saying all along, "we're in this together". Then when he wakes up and see's we voted out he resigned, not much unity now is there, here's to boris and grove as the new committee
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Post by peterboat on Jun 25, 2016 15:57:14 GMT
Amy my daughter has a very good degree from Durham is a labour councilor and works at a university yet she and many others like her voted out! She while on her rounds let her ward know that she was voting out and in general received the same answer back. The people have decided enough is enough and the sore losers are just whinging about it
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 25, 2016 16:45:29 GMT
i am shocked to have read that 4 people on FB are going to leave the UK wtf is wrong with people. I would leave right now if I was in a position to do so. Unfortunately by the time I am in a position to do so my right to live and work in the rest of Europe will have been taken away by the cunts of this country. I'm reading this in Sainsburys. I'm going to buy an onion, cut it open and have a good cry.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 25, 2016 16:49:27 GMT
Britain is not supposed to be a direct democracy, it never has been, and for good reason. Even in a direct democracy 52% of the population should not be enough to decide on such an important matter. If 52% had voted to stay IN you may have said "It's a Victory for Democracy".
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 25, 2016 17:00:30 GMT
Britain is not supposed to be a direct democracy, it never has been, and for good reason. Even in a direct democracy 52% of the population should not be enough to decide on such an important matter. If 52% had voted to stay IN you may have said "It's a Victory for Democracy". Nope. As I said before multiple times, there shouldn't have been any referendum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 17:45:27 GMT
Weekly rental for 40' boat: Venetian Marina £32 Swanley Marina £50 Nantwich Marina £90 (!!! Yes !!!) We found a nice spot outside private house for £ 17 That's plenty cheap, 27' in the fens £27 a week. Although I'm reliably informed the shed draggers can pay that a night - odd when you think you can get a Travelodge for £29.99 a night.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 25, 2016 17:48:45 GMT
If 52% had voted to stay IN you may have said "It's a Victory for Democracy". Nope. As I said before multiple times, there shouldn't have been any referendum. The ultimate decision should not have been with the people, you mean? We should leave decisions like these to the super-wealthy class who control us you mean? 52% of the country should carry on getting ever and ever poorer, year in, year out you mean? You really are as thick as two short planks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 17:50:35 GMT
BTW, I can't be held responsible for giving that idiot BoJo a sniff at being PM.
Well done you lot that voted leave, putting aside all the other questions that need answering and problems that need solving BoJo wasn't an extra one that we needed.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 25, 2016 17:50:46 GMT
Weekly rental for 40' boat: Venetian Marina £32 Swanley Marina £50 Nantwich Marina £90 (!!! Yes !!!) We found a nice spot outside private house for £ 17 Now I'm going to do a little bit of willy waving here because I pay £6 a week for my mooring for a 42' boat
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 17:55:56 GMT
Nope. As I said before multiple times, there shouldn't have been any referendum. The ultimate decision should not have been with the people, you mean? We should leave decisions like these to the super-wealthy class who control us you mean? 52% of the country should carry on getting ever and ever poorer, year in, year out you mean? You really are as thick as two short planks. Trouble is its not as black and white as that. I work as a skilled worker (engineer) in manufacturing in the East of England. The depression of wages by EU migration has, as you say, depressed wages - especially in the areas you point out. The trouble for me is I'm not sure it's the sole reason for it, it's a massively complex issue that just saying it's all the Eastern European fault is as naïve as the idiot's proclaiming the world is going to end for us outside the EU. It was a tough call for me, but on balance I believe we are better off in the EU than out of it - bear in mind ive known no different
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Post by JohnV on Jun 25, 2016 18:06:32 GMT
Your last line encapsulates it all. Yes it was a tough call, with a lot of lies being told by both sides. I voted out because I believe it is the best long term course. I suspect my view was coloured by the last referendum, again where we lied to by the establishment, I believed the assurances of the politicians, including the prime minister of the time (Heath) and they have all proved to be false. I voted stay last time, and I regret it ..... we should have listened to the warnings of Tony Benn, he has been proven right.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 25, 2016 18:15:21 GMT
I work as a skilled worker (engineer) in manufacturing in the East of England. The depression of wages by EU migration has, as you say, depressed wages - especially in the areas you point out. The trouble for me is I'm not sure it's the sole reason for it, it's a massively complex issue that just saying it's all the Eastern European fault is as naïve as the idiot's proclaiming the world is going to end for us outside the EU. I haven't said "it's all the eastern Europeans' fault". I have said that there has been for many years increasing impoverishment for millions in this country because the controlling classes woke up one day in the early 1990's and realised there was an army of cheap labour on the doorstep. I certainly wouldn't find fault with ordinary folk who took advantage of the opportunity of working in a western economy while sending money home to build a secure future at some future point in a post-Communist economy, but the simple fact is that if a significant proportion of the population are simply sending their disposable income abroad then there is the most massive effect throughout the local economy as the money-go-round shudders to a halt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 18:58:06 GMT
I work as a skilled worker (engineer) in manufacturing in the East of England. The depression of wages by EU migration has, as you say, depressed wages - especially in the areas you point out. The trouble for me is I'm not sure it's the sole reason for it, it's a massively complex issue that just saying it's all the Eastern European fault is as naïve as the idiot's proclaiming the world is going to end for us outside the EU. I haven't said "it's all the eastern Europeans' fault". I have said that there has been for many years increasing impoverishment for millions in this country because the controlling classes woke up one day in the early 1990's and realised there was an army of cheap labour on the doorstep. I certainly wouldn't find fault with ordinary folk who took advantage of the opportunity of working in a western economy while sending money home to build a secure future at some future point in a post-Communist economy, but the simple fact is that if a significant proportion of the population are simply sending their disposable income abroad then there is the most massive effect throughout the local economy as the money-go-round shudders to a halt. Sorry, it was more a broad brush statement. I could have phrased it better! Working in unskilled positions We have a Lithuanian, a Hungarian and a Latvian at our place, they haven't integrated well tbh, the Latvian works hard, the Lithuanian did until he was put on the books, the Hungarian is stark raving mad and blames Walt Disney for the world's ills. Of the other Eastern European nations that have passed thru as temporary labour they are on the whole the same, present an image of hard working reliable employees but soon turn out to be as lazy as any of the other unskilled staff we have had over the years. As for integrating into the community - forget it, they stick to their kind and that's it. None of the above bothers me if is a reason to leave, but believe me, amongst the unskilled blokes I work with it is massively important to them and they don't really think passed the migration issues. I doubt for one minute it is any different up and down the land.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 25, 2016 19:09:12 GMT
I haven't said "it's all the eastern Europeans' fault". I have said that there has been for many years increasing impoverishment for millions in this country because the controlling classes woke up one day in the early 1990's and realised there was an army of cheap labour on the doorstep. I certainly wouldn't find fault with ordinary folk who took advantage of the opportunity of working in a western economy while sending money home to build a secure future at some future point in a post-Communist economy, but the simple fact is that if a significant proportion of the population are simply sending their disposable income abroad then there is the most massive effect throughout the local economy as the money-go-round shudders to a halt. Sorry, it was more a broad brush statement. I could have phrased it better! Working in unskilled positions We have a Lithuanian, a Hungarian and a Latvian at our place, they haven't integrated well tbh, the Latvian works hard, the Lithuanian did until he was put on the books, the Hungarian is stark raving mad and blames Walt Disney for the world's ills. Of the other Eastern European nations that have passed thru as temporary labour they are on the whole the same, present an image of hard working reliable employees but soon turn out to be as lazy as any of the other unskilled staff we have had over the years. As for integrating into the community - forget it, they stick to their kind and that's it. None of the above bothers me if is a reason to leave, but believe me, amongst the unskilled blokes I work with it is massively important to them and they don't really think passed the migration issues. I doubt for one minute it is any different up and down the land. Same in Rotherham except here we have an estate of 4000 eastern europeans that for the most dont work!! Rotherham has big unemployment problems due to steelworks closing down etc so why come here? its not for the work is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 19:18:55 GMT
Sorry, it was more a broad brush statement. I could have phrased it better! Working in unskilled positions We have a Lithuanian, a Hungarian and a Latvian at our place, they haven't integrated well tbh, the Latvian works hard, the Lithuanian did until he was put on the books, the Hungarian is stark raving mad and blames Walt Disney for the world's ills. Of the other Eastern European nations that have passed thru as temporary labour they are on the whole the same, present an image of hard working reliable employees but soon turn out to be as lazy as any of the other unskilled staff we have had over the years. As for integrating into the community - forget it, they stick to their kind and that's it. None of the above bothers me if is a reason to leave, but believe me, amongst the unskilled blokes I work with it is massively important to them and they don't really think passed the migration issues. I doubt for one minute it is any different up and down the land. Same in Rotherham except here we have an estate of 4000 eastern europeans that for the most dont work!! Rotherham has big unemployment problems due to steelworks closing down etc so why come here? its not for the work is it? My nearest town. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-36623047The numbers are a bit skew whif but you get the idea. For what it's worth Corby is a fantastic town with a lot going for it. All the dross has congregated on Northampton and Kettering.
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