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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 7, 2018 13:48:55 GMT
Been to boat today, mooring is oxford canal side of Sutton stop, whilst it doesn’t appear to be down a lot I had to move the tiller over to do some painting, really struggled so must be in the mud! Same pound as stabby. . . . . . . and fed primarily from Daventry Reservoirs, supplemented by Naseby (via the 20 mile), the Napton Summit, and some from the river Swift south of Rugby.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 14:13:51 GMT
Can't stand to watch but I'll listen on the wireless.
I suspect a dull game, where neither team dare risk losing.
Rog
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 7, 2018 16:21:00 GMT
Here on the L&L boats are still going into locks singly and not waiting for another to share. No- one seems to be taking the lack of rain seriously. Garden sprinklers in Gargrave still sssptt!...sssptt!...ssspitting.
The time to have started saving water was a month ago.
CRT aren't responsible entirely for the water becoming scarce but they have not done a proper job of saving water with how boats are using locks.
Another 4 weeks of no rain says the forecast. Perhaps the Saudis will sell us desalinated water as well as oil, eh?
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Post by pearley on Jul 7, 2018 18:56:32 GMT
We met a CRT man at Pierpoint Locks running water down. He's been at since early morning and requested help. Which produced one extra man. For some 7 miles and a dozen locks. As he said, we're supposed to have a team?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 7, 2018 19:01:14 GMT
I suspect a dull game, where neither team dare risk losing. You're hardly Lieutenant Columbo, are you?
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Post by thebfg on Jul 7, 2018 19:10:43 GMT
going to be squeaky bum time that croften pumping station can keep up, at least were going first week of the summer holidays.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 20:42:16 GMT
See I said we'd win easily.
Meanwhile back at Middlewich, four boats decided to try and travel the mile upto lock 69.
We've just walked up there and there's boats all over.
Glad we decided to sit this one out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 20:44:42 GMT
We met a CRT man at Pierpoint Locks running water down. He's been at since early morning and requested help. Which produced one extra man. For some 7 miles and a dozen locks. As he said, we're supposed to have a team? Rumour has it that C&RT''s next plan is to run water down from Bosley, and it may be a couple of days. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 7, 2018 22:10:14 GMT
I am convinced it is simply a diversion from lack of maintenance. And dumbing down to an extent. Its a bit of a tricky situation because in the current maintenance climate you are likely to be causing negative outcomes (delays) for other boaters by leaving exit gates open so it works quite effectively as a diversion technique until the lack of maintenance has an effect on both sets of gates and paddles. Not really. CRT may not be perfect but the simple fact is that every time a lock is operated, another 120 tonnes of water heads towards the sea. Water always tries to find its natural level, which naturally is sea level. The vast majority of water lost from the system is lost through evaporation and seepage. Water lost through leaking lost gates simply fills lower parts of the canal network which would otherwise have to be filled by river abstraction. All canal water starts off as rain water, and in a prolonged rainless period low water levels are eventually inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 22:15:19 GMT
Isn't the debate about how long the inevitable should take?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 22:31:48 GMT
I am convinced it is simply a diversion from lack of maintenance. And dumbing down to an extent. Its a bit of a tricky situation because in the current maintenance climate you are likely to be causing negative outcomes (delays) for other boaters by leaving exit gates open so it works quite effectively as a diversion technique until the lack of maintenance has an effect on both sets of gates and paddles. Not really. CRT may not be perfect but the simple fact is that every time a lock is operated, another 120 tonnes of water heads towards the sea. Water always tries to find its natural level, which naturally is sea level. The vast majority of water lost from the system is lost through evaporation and seepage. Water lost through leaking lost gates simply fills lower parts of the canal network which would otherwise have to be filled by river abstraction. All canal water starts off as rain water, and in a prolonged rainless period low water levels are eventually inevitable. Its nothing to do with CRT it was BW who started the close all gates policy. One argument I have heard is that this is a way to divert attention away from maintenance problems. I am convinced by this argument. Obviously in droughts water levels will be lower. That's why I believe the advice go never open or close any lock gates would be appropriate if it got really bad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 22:35:11 GMT
The logic behind the argument is if people routinely leave gates open and pounds run dry then eventually the maintenance will have to be done or the system becomes unusable. Closing all gates can effectively mask this lack of maintenance so it doesn't get done.
And another great side effect is that if you leave gates open other boaters get pissed off so its boater v boater. Divide and rule again.
All a bit cynical but on a properly maintained canal system gates don't need closing unless the lock is being used.
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Post by Jim on Jul 8, 2018 6:33:16 GMT
Top's near the bottom on the Rochdale too, we are shallow drafted so not too bad, but a couple of boats were struggling along Mytholmroyd pound last week. Top pound was full as I came by yesterday, so we should be OK coming back up the hill next week. United Utilities have restricted the flow from the reservoir at Summit, level is low because they've been renewing the overflow channel.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 8, 2018 6:41:58 GMT
Mr Stabby's Water Cycle:
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Post by pearley on Jul 8, 2018 7:06:30 GMT
So probably best for us to sit it out at Wheelock where there are services (and a pub) and wait until we see boats coming up.
No stoppage notice issued yet.
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