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Post by Andyberg on Jul 10, 2018 23:10:05 GMT
Great to see that the Thai football kids and coach have been rescued from 'the Caves' and an amazing, heroic job by the rescuers!
However, there was one fatality as a diver perished last weekend whilst trying to make initial contact etc.
So, should this football coach be prosecuted for irresponsible behaviour? Taking a load of school kids 2.5 miles into dark caves doesn't seem like a very wise thing to do to me (although, I'm sure Gary Glitter would disagree! 🙄)
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 10, 2018 23:45:58 GMT
(although, I'm sure Gary Glitter would disagree! 🙄)
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 11, 2018 0:15:45 GMT
So, should this football coach be prosecuted for irresponsible behaviour? Taking a load of school kids 2.5 miles into dark caves doesn't seem like a very wise thing to do to me
So, what's your thoughts? Would you let the coach look after your kids? No, he shouldn't be prosecuted. When they set out, the cave system was mostly dry, I don't think he had taken into account though, that the previous week the area was subjected to torrential rain (as it is again now), and it takes time for the water to run through the rock fissures and enter the cave system. It was this "sudden" appearance of water that caught them out on their return. So I'd put it down to lack of experience, and a basic error. I can see what he did as no different to what thousands of Scout leaders do when they take boys (or girls Reg) out on an activity. |
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 11, 2018 1:31:58 GMT
But what about the dead diver's family wanting to see some recompense for him giving his life in an attempt to rescue an inexperienced guide and his boys?
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Post by thebfg on Jul 11, 2018 6:41:28 GMT
So, should this football coach be prosecuted for irresponsible behaviour? Taking a load of school kids 2.5 miles into dark caves doesn't seem like a very wise thing to do to me
So, what's your thoughts? Would you let the coach look after your kids? No, he shouldn't be prosecuted. When they set out, the cave system was mostly dry, I don't think he had taken into account though, that the previous week the area was subjected to torrential rain (as it is again now), and it takes time for the water to run through the rock fissures and enter the cave system. It was this "sudden" appearance of water that caught them out on their return. So I'd put it down to lack of experience, and a basic error. I can see what he did as no different to what thousands of Scout leaders do when they take boys (or girls Reg) out on an activity. it is slightly different. scout leaders are highly trained. not all but for the ones that aren't they take specialist leaders with them. it was a fantastic rescue story. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 8:54:55 GMT
But what about the dead diver's family wanting to see some recompense for him giving his life in an attempt to rescue an inexperienced guide and his boys?
Hopefully his family will be looked after - maybe Ellon Musk could start a crowd funding page...
The coach shouldn't be prosecuted unless taking them into the cave was clearly reckless - I don't know if this was the case or not (the fact they got trappeddoesn't make taking them into the cave reckless).
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 11, 2018 9:23:09 GMT
But what about the dead diver's family wanting to see some recompense for him giving his life in an attempt to rescue an inexperienced guide and his boys? Did he give it or sell it? |
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 11, 2018 12:07:52 GMT
No, he shouldn't be prosecuted. When they set out, the cave system was mostly dry, I don't think he had taken into account though, that the previous week the area was subjected to torrential rain (as it is again now), and it takes time for the water to run through the rock fissures and enter the cave system. It was this "sudden" appearance of water that caught them out on their return. So I'd put it down to lack of experience, and a basic error. I can see what he did as no different to what thousands of Scout leaders do when they take boys (or girls Reg) out on an activity. it is slightly different. scout leaders are highly trained. not all but for the ones that aren't they take specialist leaders with them. it was a fantastic rescue story. You're right, My Brother was a scout leader for a few years. He asked me if I could teach the boy's rock climbing and abseiling. Before I could throw anyone up a rock face, I had to do a scouting "M Form" of competence. |
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Post by thebfg on Jul 11, 2018 15:24:41 GMT
I have just seen one of the rescuers was a cub leader.
true selfless hero's. why my eldest is a scout and the little will join cubs when she has finished at rainbows.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 11, 2018 15:43:37 GMT
This is not the first time a team of boys have entered the same hole in Thailand and had a nasty surprise.
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Post by patty on Jul 11, 2018 16:38:23 GMT
I'm not sure that calling for anyone to be held responsible is helpful..one hopes the family of the man who died will be recompensed,,it was a tragedy.
What was inspiring is the way so many people rushed to help and how the Thais recognised they needed others expertise and accepted it..without that the ending may well have been different.
The coach will carry forever the knowledge of what happened..that to me is punishment enough.
Let them all recover with support.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 16:43:38 GMT
that to me is punishment enough. Why do you think he deserves any punishment?
Just being a bit pedantic (because I'm not sure he deserves any punishment). |
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Post by thebfg on Jul 11, 2018 19:03:24 GMT
if he is a decent human bean he will know what he's done. he won't ever forgive him self. I'm sure he is as happy as everyone else is that they all got out alive.
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Post by patty on Jul 13, 2018 21:58:43 GMT
that to me is punishment enough. Why do you think he deserves any punishment?
Just being a bit pedantic (because I'm not sure he deserves any punishment). I don't think he deserves punishment but one report i heard was that they were looking into whether there would be charges brought against him for taking the boys into the cave. I guess I didn't explain properly.... Nowadays there is a tendency to apportion blame to someone whenever a tragedy happens..'someone must pay'..I don't subscribe to that. |
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Post by thebfg on Jul 13, 2018 22:00:01 GMT
Why do you think he deserves any punishment?
Just being a bit pedantic (because I'm not sure he deserves any punishment). I don't think he deserves punishment but one report i heard was that they were looking into whether there would be charges brought against him for taking the boys into the cave. I guess I didn't explain properly.... Nowadays there is a tendency to apportion blame to someone whenever a tragedy happens..'someone must pay'..I don't subscribe to that. depends how it works in Thailand. I wonder if the UK rescuers will be looking for expenses? |
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