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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 10:52:49 GMT
Its pretty obvious your from Lancashire, twat. with knuckles well clear of the floor. Probably because you have none.
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Post by Jim on Jan 18, 2019 11:04:01 GMT
That's fighting talk, the socialism and europhile stance are genetic Well, make your mind up, are you a socialist or a Europhile? You can't be both. If you want to understand a socialist's position on the eu, have a Google for Tony Benn, Eric Heffer or Bob Crow's views on it. Of course, I can be both, there are thousands in the eu. You are extrapolating a general rule from particular people, that's not logical.
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Post by Jim on Jan 18, 2019 11:05:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 11:07:47 GMT
You need a brain to be witty. You tend to display neither. 😊
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 11:50:25 GMT
Problem is I don't think anyone has shown themselves to be the right person to get us out of this We have no shining light in any party in this sea of gloom So I guess we'll continue to muddle as the pack shreds any deals put forward.. I suppose it depends on what we mean by the ‘right person’. I suspect the ‘right person’ for the powers that be, is someone who is flakey and can be manipulated easily. The ‘right person’ for the majority of the general public is someone who fights for the majority regardless of their financial weath. The type of personality we really need rarely exists in modern politics. Maybe much of the problem is that leaders worry about saying what they really think for the fear that the PC brigade will jump on them. Politics need hard talkers. If you don’t have two strong sides to an argument how can you find the middle ground (which is usually a good compromise)? Again it’s a problem we all fall foul of as it’s fashionable to judge everything and anything through media.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 12:57:37 GMT
I suspect the ‘right person’ for the powers that be, is someone who is flakey and can be manipulated easily. The ‘right person’ for the majority of the general public is someone who fights for the majority regardless of their financial weath. The type of personality we really need rarely exists in modern politics. I suspect if they did they would be taken down pretty quickly by the vested interests. Not worth the risk as apparently hospital food is rather boring and swimming with lead shoes is very difficult.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 18, 2019 13:34:14 GMT
That's fighting talk, the socialism and europhile stance are genetic Well, make your mind up, are you a socialist or a Europhile? You can't be both. If you want to understand a socialist's position on the eu, have a Google for Tony Benn, Eric Heffer or Bob Crow's views on it. One of the (many) regrets I have, is that so few of us listened to Tony Benn's arguments against the EU at the time of the first referendum He was one of the few that saw through the lies about it being "only a free trade area" and "Oh No !!! it's not about becoming part of a super state"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 13:46:47 GMT
I have read (as I know many here have ) many 'expert' opinions on the future, both within the EU, and outside it, leaving with no deal, or with an EU trade agreement.
I can see no concensus, apart from that the next five years is critical to our economic future, whichever route is chosen.
If the 'experts' do not know (and there are as many on either side of the argument) what possible hope can there be that any of us can predict what will happen.
Which leaves us to speak solely out of conviction.
Rightly or wrongly, the government of the day held a referendum, the result of which GAVE A CLEAR MANDATE for our country to leave the EU.
The mechanics of leaving are the only honourable issue to be resolved.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 18, 2019 19:04:00 GMT
Rightly or wrongly, the government of the day held a referendum, the result of which GAVE A CLEAR MANDATE for our country to leave the EU. Since when did dictatorships respect the will of the people?
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 18, 2019 19:57:36 GMT
This picture looks like a remake of the Munsters: the old bag between Lucas and Chuckaduckie looks as if her dildo has given her a shock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 20:13:52 GMT
Well, make your mind up, are you a socialist or a Europhile? You can't be both. If you want to understand a socialist's position on the eu, have a Google for Tony Benn, Eric Heffer or Bob Crow's views on it. One of the (many) regrets I have, is that so few of us listened to Tony Benn's arguments against the EU at the time of the first referendum He was one of the few that saw through the lies about it being "only a free trade area" and "Oh No !!! it's not about becoming part of a super state" Tony Benn was a good politician, widely slated for his views, disagreed with his views much of the time but respected him immensely. Listen to what Ken Clarke has to say about the current situation, one of a few sensible voices being heard atm.
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Post by Trina on Jan 18, 2019 20:43:12 GMT
We voted out. Do we get a second vote for other things including general elections local councils etc ? No ! Everyone entitled to vote had that option.For goodness sake,let's just get on with it & get out.What's the idea behind another yes/no poll? How many times/chances are folk supposed to have ?Getting fed up now & have been feeling very sick with the pics of Jezza & Abbot supporting each other.🤢🤮Bleurrrrgh
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Post by JohnV on Jan 18, 2019 20:55:59 GMT
One of the (many) regrets I have, is that so few of us listened to Tony Benn's arguments against the EU at the time of the first referendum He was one of the few that saw through the lies about it being "only a free trade area" and "Oh No !!! it's not about becoming part of a super state" Tony Benn was a good politician, widely slated for his views, disagreed with his views much of the time but respected him immensely. Listen to what Ken Clarke has to say about the current situation, one of a few sensible voices being heard atm. Ken Clarke was one of the politicians who helped lead us blindfold into the common market, his views diametrically opposed to Tony Benn. I think him an elitist, a politician who believes he knows what is best for everybody ..... or at least for those at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 21:04:13 GMT
Tony Benn was a good politician, widely slated for his views, disagreed with his views much of the time but respected him immensely. Listen to what Ken Clarke has to say about the current situation, one of a few sensible voices being heard atm. Ken Clarke was one of the politicians who helped lead us blindfold into the common market, his views diametrically opposed to Tony Benn. I think him an elitist, a politician who believes he knows what is best for everybody ..... or at least for those at the top. Totally agree. Ken Clark was among the first "wets" to enter parliament. He's an elitist buffoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 21:33:02 GMT
Tony Benn was a good politician, widely slated for his views, disagreed with his views much of the time but respected him immensely. Listen to what Ken Clarke has to say about the current situation, one of a few sensible voices being heard atm. Ken Clarke was one of the politicians who helped lead us blindfold into the common market, his views diametrically opposed to Tony Benn. I think him an elitist, a politician who believes he knows what is best for everybody ..... or at least for those at the top. Exactly what I thought but give him a different 'read' now and you might think differently.
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