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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 19:22:30 GMT
I've decided that the Bridgewater canal has a very high place in the most boring canal stakes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 19:27:44 GMT
Bridgewater !
Crikey have you joined Sale Flying Club ?
Last I read you'd got last eight of Wigan 21 to do.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 19:29:17 GMT
In the delights of Stockton Heath tonight.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 1, 2021 19:31:23 GMT
In the delights of Stockton Heath tonight. That's probably the highlight!
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Post by metanoia on Sept 1, 2021 19:31:57 GMT
Lymm has them all divided .....
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Post by Jim on Sept 1, 2021 19:38:16 GMT
As Telemachus has eloquently pointed out ... the days of only commercial traffic on canals are long gone. The rules were altered to reflect this (and the lack of maintenance ) early 1970's I think ... doesn't really matter. Closing paddles and gates is an easy instruction for newbies to grasp ... and even then it gets forgotten. Nowadays as busy as the canals are, it is with 'Noddy boaters' on holiday for the most part. Rog Your ability to read and understand plain written English doesn't improve any, . . does it ! Where, in the post you've just replied to did I make any mention of or reference to "commercial traffic" ? The idiotic practice of routinely and pointlessly closing up locks behind the last boat through was NOT introduced to "reflect" any reductions in either maintenance standards or commercial traffic., . . and you've yet explain how shutting badly leaking gates and dropping badly leaking paddles makes any significant or measurable contribution to conserving any of the water that pisses round, under, or through them when they're closed ! Fairly obvious really, surprised you haven't worked it out. One gate will have a bigger hole/leak than another. Without close inspection, who knows which, so closing all gates cuts the leak to the smallest hole. There's a lock below my mooring, tail gates leak, head gates are ok, so if they don't get shut properly the pound drains. Only a short pound but 2 below summit pound, so if that is low it's a waste of water. The head gates were tidied up by running a chainsaw down the mitre with gates closed, the CRT guy that did it is now retired, more knowledge gone! Of course they should be fixed up and we could then leave gates open as we go, everyone gains from that in the long run, but we are where we are, we close gates, you have summat to grumble about, everyone is happy!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 19:40:16 GMT
As Telemachus has eloquently pointed out ... the days of only commercial traffic on canals are long gone. The rules were altered to reflect this (and the lack of maintenance ) early 1970's I think ... doesn't really matter. Closing paddles and gates is an easy instruction for newbies to grasp ... and even then it gets forgotten. Nowadays as busy as the canals are, it is with 'Noddy boaters' on holiday for the most part. Rog Your ability to read and understand plain written English doesn't improve any, . . does it ! Where, in the post you've just replied to did I make any mention of or reference to "commercial traffic" ? The idiotic practice of routinely and pointlessly closing up locks behind the last boat through was NOT introduced to "reflect" any reductions in either maintenance standards or commercial traffic., . . and you've yet explain how shutting badly leaking gates and dropping badly leaking paddles makes any significant or measurable contribution to conserving any of the water that pisses round, under, or through them when they're closed ! Aright, ill have a stab at an answer, If all gates/paddles leaking then shutting them still means water will escape from pound to pound, although not as much, how much depends on when the next boat apsses through. So now tell me how i am wrong and Lord Dunkers master of the canal network knows more than anyone else?
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Post by metanoia on Sept 1, 2021 19:41:24 GMT
The like was mainly for the CRT guy who knew what to do, Jim - are you sure he was still CRT?! So sad to see them going/gone.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 1, 2021 19:45:05 GMT
Your ability to read and understand plain written English doesn't improve any, . . does it ! Where, in the post you've just replied to did I make any mention of or reference to "commercial traffic" ? The idiotic practice of routinely and pointlessly closing up locks behind the last boat through was NOT introduced to "reflect" any reductions in either maintenance standards or commercial traffic., . . and you've yet explain how shutting badly leaking gates and dropping badly leaking paddles makes any significant or measurable contribution to conserving any of the water that pisses round, under, or through them when they're closed ! Fairly obvious really, surprised you haven't worked it out. One gate will have a bigger hole/leak than another. Without close inspection, who knows which, so closing all gates cuts the leak to the smallest hole. There's a lock below my mooring, tail gates leak, head gates are ok, so if they don't get shut properly the pound drains. Only a short pound but 2 below summit pound, so if that is low it's a waste of water. The head gates were tidied up by running a chainsaw down the mitre with gates closed, the CRT guy that did it is now retired, more knowledge gone! Of course they should be fixed up and we could then leave gates open as we go, everyone gains from that in the long run, but we are where we are, we close gates, you have summat to grumble about, everyone is happy! Give up. You might as well sit a cabbage on the table and try to explain to it the atomic qualities of Lithium. The irony of course is that the poster who complains the loudest about the lack of maintenance is also the poster who steadfastly refused to pay his share towards it.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 1, 2021 19:48:37 GMT
Fairly obvious really, surprised you haven't worked it out. One gate will have a bigger hole/leak than another. Without close inspection, who knows which, so closing all gates cuts the leak to the smallest hole. There's a lock below my mooring, tail gates leak, head gates are ok, so if they don't get shut properly the pound drains. Only a short pound but 2 below summit pound, so if that is low it's a waste of water. The head gates were tidied up by running a chainsaw down the mitre with gates closed, the CRT guy that did it is now retired, more knowledge gone! Of course they should be fixed up and we could then leave gates open as we go, everyone gains from that in the long run, but we are where we are, we close gates, you have summat to grumble about, everyone is happy! Give up. You might as well sit a cabbage on the table and try to explain to it the atomic qualities of Lithium. The irony of course is that the poster who complains the loudest about the lack of maintenance is also the poster who steadfastly refused to pay his share towards it. To be fair, though - he is now the poster least likely to experience the effects of any further lack of maintenance...
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 1, 2021 19:52:40 GMT
I have no idea when it was introduced but I do know that on the Stort when I started inland boating, it was standard to leave them open I think it is standard to leave gates open on all river navigations, isn’t it? The whole leakage thing has zero consequence when it’s a river, and overall there is less workload. And on the workload thing, there is of course less misery caused by finding a river lock against you with the wrong end gates open, because one knows that the next lock is several miles away. Vs arriving at a flight of 20+ locks and finding that every lock is set against you with the wrong end gates open.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 19:58:26 GMT
What you need is a good set of volunteer lock keepers to sort it out for you.
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Post by Trina on Sept 1, 2021 20:01:22 GMT
Give up. You might as well sit a cabbage on the table and try to explain to it the atomic qualities of Lithium. The irony of course is that the poster who complains the loudest about the lack of maintenance is also the poster who steadfastly refused to pay his share towards it. To be fair, though - he is now the poster least likely to experience the effects of any further lack of maintenance... 😆😆😆😏
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Post by Trina on Sept 1, 2021 20:02:22 GMT
I have no idea when it was introduced but I do know that on the Stort when I started inland boating, it was standard to leave them open I think it is standard to leave gates open on all river navigations, isn’t it? The whole leakage thing has zero consequence when it’s a river, and overall there is less workload. And on the workload thing, there is of course less misery caused by finding a river lock against you with the wrong end gates open, because one knows that the next lock is several miles away. Vs arriving at a flight of 20+ locks and finding that every lock is set against you with the wrong end gates open. You certainly leave them open on the Avon between Tewkesbury & Stratford.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Sept 1, 2021 20:49:58 GMT
For the benefit of those who share Alice's apparent S-RCD, and have been busying themselves answering their own scrambled versions of queries or other things that they imagine I have either raised or stated in in the preceding pages of this thread, . . here's what I actually DID say earlier, . . in italics, with the key words emphasized in a larger type face and underlined : -
" Does anyone -- apart from me -- remember when the idiotic practice of routinely and pointlessly closing up locks behind the last boat through was first introduced, . . and the rationale behind it ?"
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" The idiotic practice of routinely and pointlessly closing up locks behind the last boat through was NOT introduced to "reflect" any reductions in either maintenance standards or commercial traffic." -- ["reflect" and "lack of maintenance" quoted from an Alice post]
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This Dictionary definition may also be of some assistance : --
pointless pointless (adjective)
having little or no sense, use, or purpose, or as in, for example : -
"closing up lock gates and paddles that are visibly and obviously leaking far more than those at the other end of a lock".
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