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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 5, 2021 19:50:58 GMT
I've always found that a kettle on a Primus stove, or a gas ring, works quite well ! Hell's teeth. Did you have a gas ring on a BS exempt boat? He really is a thick tuunt, isn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 19:53:15 GMT
Not much point in a bigger, more insulated calorifier (horizontal by the way) if it's full of cold water ... it's heating the water without running the engine I'm seeking to solve, but thanks. Rog I think you are getting carried away by the solar panel and starting to over-think the non running of engine scenario. I think you just have to accept that you'll need to run the engine to provide hot water and that the diesel used to do this will cost little if anything more than bottled gas would, as Ricco pointed out gas is a very expensive way of heating water. That's why I suggested the extra insulation or larger calorifier. One of the issues that arises is that people want to have showers in the morning. I don't quite understand this but it is apparently the case. A properly insulated and well sized calorifier will retain the heat overnight no problem specially in the boating season months. Also one of the ideas around having a boat is that you move it about now and then which in these slightly primitive times involves a diesel engine running quite often for several hours in a day, with one of the effects being heat rejection which can be captured by using a calorifier.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 19:57:26 GMT
Not much point in a bigger, more insulated calorifier (horizontal by the way) if it's full of cold water ... it's heating the water without running the engine I'm seeking to solve, but thanks. Rog I think you are getting carried away by the solar panel and starting to over-think the non running of engine scenario. I think you just have to accept that you'll need to run the engine to provide hot water and that the diesel used to do this will cost little if anything more than bottled gas would, as Ricco pointed out gas is a very expensive way of heating water. I have an Alde boiler with radiators which is bust and needs repairing, but it's an obsolete boiler anyway and only provides heat to the radiators not hot water. Added to that we never used it other than on returning to the boat in January to assist warm the boat up. I merely pointed out that I would be looking at water heating systems with a view to installing some method of heating water other than by the engine now the solar is fitted. I know little of water heating systems having never had one. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 19:58:53 GMT
"When Andrew said he didn't like his teddy you knew he was a no-good kid..."
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 5, 2021 20:00:43 GMT
I think you are getting carried away by the solar panel and starting to over-think the non running of engine scenario. I think you just have to accept that you'll need to run the engine to provide hot water and that the diesel used to do this will cost little if anything more than bottled gas would, as Ricco pointed out gas is a very expensive way of heating water. I have an Alde boiler with radiators which is bust and needs repairing, but it's an obsolete boiler anyway and only provides heat to the radiators not hot water. Added to that we never used it other than on returning to the boat in January to assist warm the boat up. I merely pointed out that I would be looking at water heating systems with a view to installing some method of heating water other than by the engine now the solar is fitted. I know little of water heating systems having never had one. Rog Can't you just steal a boat which has all this stuff already fitted?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 20:01:25 GMT
Another dodgy side effect of solar is that it can in some cases cause you to not moor in places where you would have otherwise been happy to moor. Do not let the solar panel rule your life. It is your servant not your master
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 20:03:12 GMT
I think you are getting carried away by the solar panel and starting to over-think the non running of engine scenario. I think you just have to accept that you'll need to run the engine to provide hot water and that the diesel used to do this will cost little if anything more than bottled gas would, as Ricco pointed out gas is a very expensive way of heating water. I have an Alde boiler with radiators which is bust and needs repairing, but it's an obsolete boiler anyway and only provides heat to the radiators not hot water. Added to that we never used it other than on returning to the boat in January to assist warm the boat up. I merely pointed out that I would be looking at water heating systems with a view to installing some method of heating water other than by the engine now the solar is fitted. I know little of water heating systems having never had one. Rog They say...sealed room heaters are much more efficient but that may be / probably is brochure BS...
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 5, 2021 20:05:13 GMT
Another dodgy side effect of solar is that it can in some cases cause you to not moor in places where you would have otherwise been happy to moor. Do not let the solar panel rule your life. It is your servant not your master Yes, this is true although on a blisteringly hot day I personally would choose the shady spot over the free electricity every time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 20:05:15 GMT
Another dodgy side effect of solar is that it can in some cases cause you to not moor in places where you would have otherwise been happy to moor. Do not let the solar panel rule your life. It is your servant not your master You're doing a CWDF on me now ... answering questions I never asked Rog
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Post by patty on Sept 5, 2021 20:08:27 GMT
Setting aside the fascinating Alde boiler/ solar panels etc etc... Today has been rather challenging.... son and daughter in law have employed a Eastern European(cannot remember where from) to paint the outside down stairs.... the bloke came am..pm he comes back with wife(to assist) and son(4ish).... I took refuge at the bottom of the garden as chaos ran amok... grand daughter and the lad only gelled for maybe an hour then it got noisy.. the wasps for some reason criss crossed at ground level..son plus wifey got stung then the flying ants erupted... I stayed put at bottom of garden..... suggestions that I could maybe monitor the children I ignored...... Not mine..no way... I've survived..took a lot of vino..
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Post by metanoia on Sept 5, 2021 20:09:26 GMT
I think you are getting carried away by the solar panel and starting to over-think the non running of engine scenario. I think you just have to accept that you'll need to run the engine to provide hot water and that the diesel used to do this will cost little if anything more than bottled gas would, as Ricco pointed out gas is a very expensive way of heating water. That's why I suggested the extra insulation or larger calorifier. One of the issues that arises is that people want to have showers in the morning. I don't quite understand this but it is apparently the case. A properly insulated and well sized calorifier will retain the heat overnight no problem specially in the boating season months. Also one of the ideas around having a boat is that you move it about now and then which in these slightly primitive times involves a diesel engine running quite often for several hours in a day, with one of the effects being heat rejection which can be captured by using a calorifier. ... and that's why I have my shower when I get there.... .. by which time there is plenty of hot water and dirty clothes/smelly body after running up and down those ladders/working paddles and gates - and any incipient whiffiness if they catch you in the early morning only helps keep the "normal/good" people at a safe distance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 20:09:55 GMT
Another dodgy side effect of solar is that it can in some cases cause you to not moor in places where you would have otherwise been happy to moor. Do not let the solar panel rule your life. It is your servant not your master You're doing a CWDF on me now ... answering questions I never asked Rog I was going on your words "now the solar is fitted". It seems you were previously happy to run the engine to get hot water as it was also providing battery charging but now you have the solar panel you are considering an expensive upgrade to provide hot water without running the engine. I agree with this as I don't like engine generated hot water on principle but it seems to be the solar panel running the show.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 5, 2021 20:10:00 GMT
Another dodgy side effect of solar is that it can in some cases cause you to not moor in places where you would have otherwise been happy to moor. Do not let the solar panel rule your life. It is your servant not your master Yes, this is true although on a blisteringly hot day I personally would choose the shady spot over the free electricity every time. that's daft ..... you'd have the lectrickery to run air conditioning (and if you had LiFePO4s they would be fully charged quickly before the temperature rose high enough for the AC)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 20:12:10 GMT
Setting aside the fascinating Alde boiler/ solar panels etc etc... Today has been rather challenging.... son and daughter in law have employed a Eastern European(cannot remember where from) to paint the outside down stairs.... the bloke came am..pm he comes back with wife(to assist) and son(4ish).... I took refuge at the bottom of the garden as chaos ran amok... grand daughter and the lad only gelled for maybe an hour then it got noisy.. the wasps for some reason criss crossed at ground level..son plus wifey got stung then the flying ants erupted... I stayed put at bottom of garden..... suggestions that I could maybe monitor the children I ignored...... Not mine..no way... I've survived..took a lot of vino.. Did you manage to avoid the wasps and the flying ants ? Wasp stings are nasty.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 5, 2021 20:12:23 GMT
Setting aside the fascinating Alde boiler/ solar panels etc etc... Today has been rather challenging.... son and daughter in law have employed a Eastern European(cannot remember where from) to paint the outside down stairs.... the bloke came am..pm he comes back with wife(to assist) and son(4ish).... I took refuge at the bottom of the garden as chaos ran amok... grand daughter and the lad only gelled for maybe an hour then it got noisy.. the wasps for some reason criss crossed at ground level..son plus wifey got stung then the flying ants erupted... I stayed put at bottom of garden..... suggestions that I could maybe monitor the children I ignored...... Not mine..no way... I've survived..took a lot of vino.. Fingers crossed you'll be home soon, patty x
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