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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 21, 2023 20:56:06 GMT
That's neither a fair nor a valid comparison. George Ward is a harmless, misguided and somewhat eccentric individual who is being treated inhumanely, unfairly, and unlawfully by the C&RT, whereas Vincent( Mr Stabby)Coventon, on the other hand, . . is a malicious psychopath. To clear up any misunderstandings there might be over my describing the treatment of George Ward (the unfortunate subject of Thunderboat thread < thunderboat.boards.net/thread/8669/boater-threatens-burn-boat) at the hands of C&RT and its corrupt lawyers as 'unfair', . . is that this man IS being treated unfairly for the simple reason that C&RT is yet again misusing and abusing inappropriate statutory powers to resolve a shambolic mess which it, as the navigation authority, should never have created or allowed to develop in the first place. The origins of the long running George Ward saga are rest with C&RT's historic customary abuse and misapplication of the statutory powers it enjoys, quite literally, under Sections 8 and 13 of the British Waterways Acts of 1983 and 1971 respectively, . . when in truth the initial problems with George Ward's boat(s) could have been, and SHOULD have been, addressed and resolved via the lawful, and correct, application of the statutory powers specified for the 'Control of Unsafe Vessels' under Section 7 of the !983 Act. Information and details of the years of unstinting support for George Ward are to be found on the NBTA's webpages. Well meaning and genuine as this support was, . . it was also misguided and ill-conceived, . . by both the NBTA itself and its blinkered and rather dim lawyers, the Community Law Partnership. Well meaning as they are, the NBTA and the Community Law Partnership, do have a long history of barking up the wrong trees. One glaring example of this tendency to misdirect effort, and money, was the 2021 ' CrowdJustice' appeal for Judicial Revue of the changes to C&RT's already extra-statutory and therefore unenforceable boat Licence T&C's orchestrated by - quote - "A coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations". The £6,432 raised, some of it from the TB membership, was frittered away by the NBTA lawyers in achieving nothing, . . with, as usual, C&RT's lawyers leading them by the nose down a path to nowhere strewn with so-called 'law' they (C&RT) themselves had previously either misrepresented or invented, . . and then misled the Courts, and the more gullible element of the inland boating public, into believing to be and accepting as genuine statutory powers.
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Post by fi on Mar 21, 2023 21:07:04 GMT
Ooops....
Sorry Tony, I forgot this was your thread/forum.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 21, 2023 21:08:43 GMT
So what's the latest news about getting Halcyon Daze back, Tony?
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Post by on Mar 21, 2023 21:11:39 GMT
Someone on canalworld just posted that they wanted to buy a boat from CBS (It was not HD) but the seller decided to scrap it rather than sell it.
Eye opening. It is on the historic boats for sale thread.
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Post by fi on Mar 21, 2023 21:12:05 GMT
Ooops.....
Sorry I forgot about leaving Stabby out of the conversation. He gets upset.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 21, 2023 21:55:54 GMT
Someone on canalworld just posted that they wanted to buy a boat from CBS (It was not HD) but the seller decided to scrap it rather than sell it. Eye opening. It is on the historic boats for sale thread. Have you invited, or suggested to, the CWDF poster that he pays a visit to Thunderboat, . . so that he can find out the real reasons behind Commercial Boat Services cageyness when it comes to selling boats that their own bogus Bailiffs have illegally, and fraudulently, seized from their rightful owners ?
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 21, 2023 23:30:59 GMT
To clear up any misunderstandings there might be over my describing the treatment of George Ward (the unfortunate subject of Thunderboat thread < thunderboat.boards.net/thread/8669/boater-threatens-burn-boat) at the hands of C&RT and its corrupt lawyers as 'unfair', . . is that this man IS being treated unfairly for the simple reason that C&RT is yet again misusing and abusing inappropriate statutory powers to resolve a shambolic mess which it, as the navigation authority, should never have created or allowed to develop in the first place. The origins of the long running George Ward saga are rest with C&RT's historic customary abuse and misapplication of the statutory powers it enjoys, quite literally, under Sections 8 and 13 of the British Waterways Acts of 1983 and 1971 respectively, . . when in truth the initial problems with George Ward's boat(s) could have been, and SHOULD have been, addressed and resolved via the lawful, and correct, application of the statutory powers specified for the 'Control of Unsafe Vessels' under Section 7 of the !983 Act. Information and details of the years of unstinting support for George Ward are to be found on the NBTA's webpages. Well meaning and genuine as this support was, . . it was also misguided and ill-conceived, . . by both the NBTA itself and its blinkered and rather dim lawyers, the Community Law Partnership. Well meaning as they are, the NBTA and the Community Law Partnership, do have a long history of barking up the wrong trees. One glaring example of this tendency to misdirect effort, and money, was the 2021 ' CrowdJustice' appeal for Judicial Revue of the changes to C&RT's already extra-statutory and therefore unenforceable boat Licence T&C's orchestrated by - quote - "A coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations". The £6,432 raised, some of it from the TB membership, was frittered away by the NBTA lawyers in achieving nothing, . . with, as usual, C&RT's lawyers leading them by the nose down a path to nowhere strewn with so-called 'law' they (C&RT) themselves had previously either misrepresented or invented, . . and then misled the Courts, and the more gullible element of the inland boating public, into believing to be and accepting as genuine statutory powers. Just think what a more positive outcome there would have been if they had instead followed your example and took them to task by exposing the pernicious misuse of statute in a climactic and triumphant court battle where all the world could marvel at the sheer brilliance and truth of your words.
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Post by on Mar 22, 2023 7:04:06 GMT
Someone on canalworld just posted that they wanted to buy a boat from CBS (It was not HD) but the seller decided to scrap it rather than sell it. Eye opening. It is on the historic boats for sale thread. Have you invited, or suggested to, the CWDF poster that he pays a visit to Thunderboat, . . so that he can find out the real reasons behind Commercial Boat Services cageyness when it comes to selling boats that their own bogus Bailiffs have illegally, and fraudulently, seized from their rightful owners ? I'm too much of a despicable wretch to do that. Surely you knew this.
I will never forgive you for calling me an amiable buffoon but I won't go as far as Stabby in the repercussions.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 22, 2023 7:43:36 GMT
Have you invited, or suggested to, the CWDF poster that he pays a visit to Thunderboat, . . so that he can find out the real reasons behind Commercial Boat Services cageyness when it comes to selling boats that their own bogus Bailiffs have illegally, and fraudulently, seized from their rightful owners ? I'm too much of a despicable wretch to do that. Surely you knew this.
I will never forgive you for calling me an amiable buffoon but I won't go as far as Stabby in the repercussions.
How very predictable ! But don't make the mistake of thinking that the message won't get to where and who it needs to go to without your co-operation, . . . it was only a test to see just how much of a complete arsehole you really are.
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Post by on Mar 22, 2023 7:54:55 GMT
Shut up idiot !
One imagines the HD is probably dishwasher casings by now.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 22, 2023 15:38:28 GMT
There's a topic over on CWDF in which the matter of Commercial Boat Services (C&RT's prime contractors for the seizing and transporting away of Section 8'd boats) and their frequent reluctance to sell on these Section 8'd boats, sometimes preferring to scrap them instead, has been raised in discussion. < www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/54625-historic-boats-for-sale-online/page/368/ > The reason for this strange reluctance on the part of CBS, . . which will no doubt come as quite a surprise to most, . . is that the Section 8'd boats have come into their possession, illegally, by way of a long running fraud scam that the C&RT has perfected and practiced since inheriting it from BWB. Each fraud operation is initiated by C&RT's so-called Legal & Governance Services by way of the C&RT (the Claimant) making what it knows to be an inappropriate, dishonest, and wholly unnecessary application to the Courts, under Part 8 of the Civil Procedure Rules, for an Order for what is technically called Declaratory and Injunctive Relief. These (Court) Orders, as their name indicates, serve two distinct and separate purposes in the one single Order, and are strictly limited in power and scope to the two specified functions only. The first part of each Order - the Declaration - is just what it says it is, and does nothing more than state that the Court agrees that the Trust is entitled to act pursuant to (ie. within and NOT beyond) its statutory powers under Sections 8 and 13 (respectively) of the British Waterways Acts of 1983 and 1971 (respectively). It is important to note that this Court issued 'Declaration' does NOT authorize or 'order' anything beyond the statutory powers that the C&RT already has at its disposal under the relevant sections of the 1983 and 1971 Acts. The second part of each Order - the Injunction - works differently in that unlike the first part - the Declaration - this second part does place the boatowner (the Defendant) under specific obligations and instructions that, if not fully complied with by the boatowner, can result in any one, or all, of a number of penalties (sanctions) being imposed by the Court. A warning to this effect is printed on every one of the Court Orders that C&RT obtains preparatory to fraudulently seizing the subject vessel. The warning states :- If you do not obey paragraphs 2) and 3) of this Order then you may be held in contempt of Court and imprisoned or fined, or your assets may be seized. It is this warning that C&RT dishonestly and fraudulently uses as a means by which to fool both the boatowner (the Defendant) and the Police into believing that the seizure and transporting away of a Section 8'd boat is a lawful act ordered by the Court, . . but in truth, and in the terms of the Court Order itself, this is NOT so. Imprisonment, fining, or the seizing of assets are penalties/sanctions for the Court alone to impose following a second application to the Court by the Claimant asking for the terms of the Injunction to be enforced by the Court. Knowingly exceeding the scope or power of any Court Order, or usurping the powers and authority of the Court . . as the C&RT invariably does whenever it 'seizes' a Section 8'd boat, . . is unlawful, fraudlent, and a serious Contempt of Court. This is why Commercial Boat Services are frequently so cagey about selling on seized Section 8'd boats, . . they know full well that the boats aren't theirs or C&RT's to sell, . . and that selling them on to someone else turns the fraud committed during the unlawful seizure into outright theft.
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Post by on Mar 22, 2023 16:44:06 GMT
It turned out the boat was a Thos Clayton wooden nb. Originally removed and road transported (!!) and presumably stored ashore.
This will have killed it anyway so perhaps rather sensible for the CRT to cut it up.
i'm reasonably intrigued about what happens to the two overpriced L&L boats currently on the hard at Greenwalls Farm in Dodleston.
It is an interesting thing about the value. If these are part of an estate sale then there may be some sort of legal obligation to achieve "market value" but what happens if this does not occur?
It seems to me that after a certain amount of time the costs would rise above the value and on paper the boats could end up being scrap.
I think one of Tony's dozens of avid followers should take the time to go over there and have a look and get into negotiations.
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Post by on Mar 22, 2023 17:28:45 GMT
Anyway
don't know where the music thread is.
The kids played this one this morning which I found reasonably amusing. Not heard it before. Their favourite bit was where the old gits throw rocks on the car from a bridge aiming for the kids.
All in jest of course. They don't have guns so won't be mass shooters.
Ylvis quite funny but also quite annoying.
Dem kids like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 15:39:25 GMT
Canal and River Trust promotes "destinations" on its canals and rivers.
So what is a destination? Well, from my personal experience they tend to be a muddy overgrown bit of towpath, sometimes with dilapidated crumbling locks and more often than not hundreds of blue signs.
Getting alongside the bank to moor up will be nigh on impossible, and within an hour of doing so, some blue sweatshirt will turn up and ask you to donate 20 quid a month.
After spending the best part of the day trying to gain access to the towpath, you will then spend the rest of it clearing dogshit, at which point blue sweatshirt will be back to record your number and remind you to move on in the morning making room for the next victim. Sighs.....
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 24, 2023 9:09:16 GMT
Where did you cut and paste that from? Because you sure didn't write it yourself.
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