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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 17:22:33 GMT
I think the 'intelligent input' ceased when you rejoined the forum. You lost the debate several posts back Martin when you started the abuse. It was an honest thread based upon honest observations backed up by the media.I appreciate your views and Politics may be different from mine,so put forward a cogent argument why these Courses are a good thing and we can kick it around hopefully.  Exactly where have I said I either agree with them or think they are a good idea? you are making an assumption. |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 1, 2016 17:31:04 GMT
You lost the debate several posts back Martin when you started the abuse. It was an honest thread based upon honest observations backed up by the media.I appreciate your views and Politics may be different from mine,so put forward a cogent argument why these Courses are a good thing and we can kick it around hopefully. Exactly where have I said I either agree with them or think they are a good idea? you are making an assumption. Read the Post Martin,I don't say that.I merely suggest that if you do disagree with my OP,then put a cogent argument forward and not just abuse.I was genuinely hoping to hear contrary opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 17:37:32 GMT
Exactly where have I said I either agree with them or think they are a good idea? you are making an assumption. Read the Post Martin,I don't say that.I merely suggest that if you do disagree with my OP,then put a cogent argument forward and not just abuse.I was genuinely hoping to hear contrary opinion. I agree with johns assesment of the op you will note I gave it the thumbs up. nothing else to add really. |
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Post by ammodels on Aug 1, 2016 17:37:40 GMT
Im about as left wing as they come and I think we have to do something about immigration in general and the refugee crisis in particular.
Why cant we as part of a wider group, lets call it the union of European nations create safe camps on the southern borders of Europe to receive refugees and keep them safe until security is restored in their own country? Funded by the international community it can be a sparkling utopia of housing and even commerce.
They can speak whatever language they choose and worship whichever god they like safe in the knowledge that we will chuck em back in their own country in the middle of the war if they cause any trouble. Same goes for any migrant in the country from now on a zero crim policy will be enforced, any criminal act either here or in their own country at any point in the past will result in deportation immediately with no appeal. (subject to a few rules such as only for those things which are crimes in this country, no deportation for being gay or whatever)
Then the govt in this country builds social housing, they restore the infrastructure of our country that has been decimated by 40 years of neoliberalistic stagnation and cuts, when we are back on our own feet and the idiocy of buy to let and slum landlords are ended we can look at bringing in people from other countries if we want to.
Multiculturalism will be redefined to mean you can worship your own god but you do it within the framework of our laws, your behaviour has to meet certain minimum standards and any deviation from it means deportation. You can share your foods and traditions but dont expect them to be enshrined in law because they are not our traditions or food, integrate is at the heart of the new policy.
I think that should sort it.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 1, 2016 17:46:27 GMT
Read the Post Martin,I don't say that.I merely suggest that if you do disagree with my OP,then put a cogent argument forward and not just abuse.I was genuinely hoping to hear contrary opinion. I agree with johns assesment of the op you will note I gave it the thumbs up. nothing else to add really. |
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Post by peterboat on Aug 1, 2016 17:52:45 GMT
Im about as left wing as they come and I think we have to do something about immigration in general and the refugee crisis in particular. Why cant we as part of a wider group, lets call it the union of European nations create safe camps on the southern borders of Europe to receive refugees and keep them safe until security is restored in their own country? Funded by the international community it can be a sparkling utopia of housing and even commerce. They can speak whatever language they choose and worship whichever god they like safe in the knowledge that we will chuck em back in their own country in the middle of the war if they cause any trouble. Same goes for any migrant in the country from now on a zero crim policy will be enforced, any criminal act either here or in their own country at any point in the past will result in deportation immediately with no appeal. (subject to a few rules such as only for those things which are crimes in this country, no deportation for being gay or whatever) Then the govt in this country builds social housing, they restore the infrastructure of our country that has been decimated by 40 years of neoliberalistic stagnation and cuts, when we are back on our own feet and the idiocy of buy to let and slum landlords are ended we can look at bringing in people from other countries if we want to. Multiculturalism will be redefined to mean you can worship your own god but you do it within the framework of our laws, your behaviour has to meet certain minimum standards and any deviation from it means deportation. You can share your foods and traditions but dont expect them to be enshrined in law because they are not our traditions or food, integrate is at the heart of the new policy. I think that should sort it. Thumbs up for that plus can we get away from halal and kosher meat as I really dislike the practice! Its just plane wrong that an animal is bled to death whilst conscious barbaric in fact |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 1, 2016 17:59:09 GMT
Im about as left wing as they come and I think we have to do something about immigration in general and the refugee crisis in particular. Why cant we as part of a wider group, lets call it the union of European nations create safe camps on the southern borders of Europe to receive refugees and keep them safe until security is restored in their own country? Funded by the international community it can be a sparkling utopia of housing and even commerce. They can speak whatever language they choose and worship whichever god they like safe in the knowledge that we will chuck em back in their own country in the middle of the war if they cause any trouble. Same goes for any migrant in the country from now on a zero crim policy will be enforced, any criminal act either here or in their own country at any point in the past will result in deportation immediately with no appeal. (subject to a few rules such as only for those things which are crimes in this country, no deportation for being gay or whatever) Then the govt in this country builds social housing, they restore the infrastructure of our country that has been decimated by 40 years of neoliberalistic stagnation and cuts, when we are back on our own feet and the idiocy of buy to let and slum landlords are ended we can look at bringing in people from other countries if we want to. Multiculturalism will be redefined to mean you can worship your own god but you do it within the framework of our laws, your behaviour has to meet certain minimum standards and any deviation from it means deportation. You can share your foods and traditions but dont expect them to be enshrined in law because they are not our traditions or food, integrate is at the heart of the new policy. I think that should sort it. Thumbs up for that plus can we get away from halal and kosher meat as I really dislike the practice! Its just plane wrong that an animal is bled to death whilst conscious barbaric in fact Two voices of sanity at last |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 2, 2016 8:01:25 GMT
Im about as left wing as they come and I think we have to do something about immigration in general and the refugee crisis in particular. Why cant we as part of a wider group, lets call it the union of European nations create safe camps on the southern borders of Europe to receive refugees and keep them safe until security is restored in their own country? Funded by the international community it can be a sparkling utopia of housing and even commerce. They can speak whatever language they choose and worship whichever god they like safe in the knowledge that we will chuck em back in their own country in the middle of the war if they cause any trouble. Same goes for any migrant in the country from now on a zero crim policy will be enforced, any criminal act either here or in their own country at any point in the past will result in deportation immediately with no appeal. (subject to a few rules such as only for those things which are crimes in this country, no deportation for being gay or whatever) Then the govt in this country builds social housing, they restore the infrastructure of our country that has been decimated by 40 years of neoliberalistic stagnation and cuts, when we are back on our own feet and the idiocy of buy to let and slum landlords are ended we can look at bringing in people from other countries if we want to. Is your first name Adolph? Multiculturalism will be redefined to mean you can worship your own god but you do it within the framework of our laws, your behaviour has to meet certain minimum standards and any deviation from it means deportation. You can share your foods and traditions but dont expect them to be enshrined in law because they are not our traditions or food, integrate is at the heart of the new policy. I think that should sort it. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 2, 2016 8:31:20 GMT
Yeah - someone who calls me a racist now wants to lock them up in concentration camps, and then send them home to be executed if they turn out to be not particularly nice.
Ppphhhhhtttt!!!
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Post by ammodels on Aug 2, 2016 9:30:53 GMT
Yeah - someone who calls me a racist now wants to lock them up in concentration camps, and then send them home to be executed if they turn out to be not particularly nice. Ppphhhhhtttt!!! You call them concentration camps, I call them refugee reception and rehabilitation centres. We will have nice shower blocks where mass showers will be encouraged. Seriously though how is it racist to encourage them to conform to our laws and to return home to rebuild their countries once they are again stable? |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 2, 2016 10:05:19 GMT
Will said showers deliver water, or gas?
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 2, 2016 10:58:30 GMT
"Seriously though how is it racist to encourage them to conform to our laws and to return home to rebuild their countries once they are again stable?"
1. Because we're supposed to conform to THEIR laws. Give them money and become THEIR slaves.
It's simply not PC to expect them to bend over backwards and accept the Laws of the Infidel.
2. Their countries have had many thousands of years to become stable under their control and own laws. Do ya think they will ever 'be stable'?
Anyway - you nicked my idea. I wrote that on Canalworld months ago.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 2, 2016 11:10:04 GMT
On the other hand: The response to boats attempting to cross the Med was much hand wringing followed by a permanent presence of 'rescue' boats. If the response had been to sink the first couple that made the attempt the message would have been received very quickly. Hey presto, no more would have come. This approach, a seemingly very cruel one in theory, would in practise have saved the many thousands of lives lost to the sea as the boats kept on coming.
Sometimes, it's cruel to be kind.
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Post by ammodels on Aug 2, 2016 14:01:47 GMT
Lol now that is akin to Hitler, not what I wrote.  No dont sink refugee boats in the med, that is wrong. Morally. Foxy Syria was stable and a free country as we understand it, freedom of religion and movement, its only when we started bombing it it turned into the cesspit it is now. Iraq had stability, Libya had stability, it was their version of it and we decided we didnt want that we wanted them to be like us. Not going to work. |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 2, 2016 14:15:34 GMT
On the other hand: The response to boats attempting to cross the Med was much hand wringing followed by a permanent presence of 'rescue' boats. If the response had been to sink the first couple that made the attempt the message would have been received very quickly. Hey presto, no more would have come. This approach, a seemingly very cruel one in theory, would in practise have saved the many thousands of lives lost to the sea as the boats kept on coming. Sometimes, it's cruel to be kind. Ricco you make me smile |
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