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Post by Albion on Aug 2, 2016 14:55:19 GMT
Im about as left wing as they come and I think we have to do something about immigration in general and the refugee crisis in particular. Why cant we as part of a wider group, lets call it the union of European nations create safe camps on the southern borders of Europe to receive refugees and keep them safe until security is restored in their own country? Funded by the international community it can be a sparkling utopia of housing and even commerce. They can speak whatever language they choose and worship whichever god they like safe in the knowledge that we will chuck em back in their own country in the middle of the war if they cause any trouble. Same goes for any migrant in the country from now on a zero crim policy will be enforced, any criminal act either here or in their own country at any point in the past will result in deportation immediately with no appeal. (subject to a few rules such as only for those things which are crimes in this country, no deportation for being gay or whatever) Then the govt in this country builds social housing, they restore the infrastructure of our country that has been decimated by 40 years of neoliberalistic stagnation and cuts, when we are back on our own feet and the idiocy of buy to let and slum landlords are ended we can look at bringing in people from other countries if we want to. Multiculturalism will be redefined to mean you can worship your own god but you do it within the framework of our laws, your behaviour has to meet certain minimum standards and any deviation from it means deportation. You can share your foods and traditions but dont expect them to be enshrined in law because they are not our traditions or food, integrate is at the heart of the new policy. I think that should sort it. There is a lot of sense in that. My only doubt is with your last paragraph as many of the people that it applies to will have been born here and certainly will insist on retaining what they already have. And of course you cannot deport them from this country. It is almost a case of being too late to shut the stable door because the horse has bolted. Roger
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Post by ammodels on Aug 2, 2016 15:17:35 GMT
Im about as left wing as they come and I think we have to do something about immigration in general and the refugee crisis in particular. Why cant we as part of a wider group, lets call it the union of European nations create safe camps on the southern borders of Europe to receive refugees and keep them safe until security is restored in their own country? Funded by the international community it can be a sparkling utopia of housing and even commerce. They can speak whatever language they choose and worship whichever god they like safe in the knowledge that we will chuck em back in their own country in the middle of the war if they cause any trouble. Same goes for any migrant in the country from now on a zero crim policy will be enforced, any criminal act either here or in their own country at any point in the past will result in deportation immediately with no appeal. (subject to a few rules such as only for those things which are crimes in this country, no deportation for being gay or whatever) Then the govt in this country builds social housing, they restore the infrastructure of our country that has been decimated by 40 years of neoliberalistic stagnation and cuts, when we are back on our own feet and the idiocy of buy to let and slum landlords are ended we can look at bringing in people from other countries if we want to. Multiculturalism will be redefined to mean you can worship your own god but you do it within the framework of our laws, your behaviour has to meet certain minimum standards and any deviation from it means deportation. You can share your foods and traditions but dont expect them to be enshrined in law because they are not our traditions or food, integrate is at the heart of the new policy. I think that should sort it. There is a lot of sense in that. My only doubt is with your last paragraph as many of the people that it applies to will have been born here and certainly will insist on retaining what they already have. And of course you cannot deport them from this country. It is almost a case of being too late to shut the stable door because the horse has bolted. Roger I think that conforming to our laws is sacrosanct, if they dont want to then they are free to leave or suffer jail ultimately for not staying within the law. You can always lasso a horse... or shoot it if it goes too wild.
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Post by ammodels on Aug 2, 2016 17:34:39 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 2, 2016 17:57:13 GMT
I don't ever remember people rushing to go on holiday to Iraq, Iran, Syria - or any other Arab country. Nowadays to Dubai for the shopping, yes - but everyone knows if u steal a banana at the market they'll cut your hands off, or put you in prison where you'll 'disappear'. But it does seem to have gone quiet about 'refugees' crossing the Med. Perhaps I've just missed the News being on holiday. Haven't seen any Ali Babas driving canal boats, just rich white Brits. I would be happy to see the canals full of foreigners.
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Post by Albion on Aug 2, 2016 19:31:48 GMT
I don't ever remember people rushing to go on holiday to Iraq, Iran, Syria - or any other Arab country. Nowadays to Dubai for the shopping, yes - but everyone knows if u steal a banana at the market they'll cut your hands off, or put you in prison where you'll 'disappear'. But it does seem to have gone quiet about 'refugees' crossing the Med. Perhaps I've just missed the News being on holiday. Haven't seen any Ali Babas driving canal boats, just rich white Brits. I would be happy to see the canals full of foreigners. If you remember it was stated that, after the deal with Turkey was done to restrict access by the shortest route to an EU country that we would see a huge increase in the attempts across to Italy from (mainly) Libya and a huge rise in resultant deaths by drowning. Whatever happened to that prediction? Roger
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 2, 2016 19:58:09 GMT
OK my suggestion that a few boats could have been sunk, saving the thousands of lives that have been lost due to 'rescuing' instead, was a bit tongue in cheek.
An alternative: Change the 'rescue' force into 'interceptors' On finding a migrant boat this would be stopped and all on board brought aboard the interceptor ship. The original migrant boat would be secured to the stern of the ship. A number of migrants would then be interrogated to find out where they had come from. Once this was established the interceptor ship would head for a spot 100 yards away from the shore of this country. The migrants would then be loaded onto their original boat and instructed to head ashore. The interceptor boat would send a party in a smaller boat to ensure the migrant boat follows instructions. They would then destroy the migrant boat.
If this happened enough times it would discourage further attempts, thereby saving lives.
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Post by ammodels on Aug 2, 2016 20:02:27 GMT
I don't ever remember people rushing to go on holiday to Iraq, Iran, Syria - or any other Arab country. Nowadays to Dubai for the shopping, yes - but everyone knows if u steal a banana at the market they'll cut your hands off, or put you in prison where you'll 'disappear'. But it does seem to have gone quiet about 'refugees' crossing the Med. Perhaps I've just missed the News being on holiday. Haven't seen any Ali Babas driving canal boats, just rich white Brits. I would be happy to see the canals full of foreigners. If you remember it was stated that, after the deal with Turkey was done to restrict access by the shortest route to an EU country that we would see a huge increase in the attempts across to Italy from (mainly) Libya and a huge rise in resultant deaths by drowning. Whatever happened to that prediction? Roger Erdogan has allegedly said if EU doesnt allow visa free travel for Turks then he will end any interdiction in migrant travel through Turkey. Time to build a wall.
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Post by Albion on Aug 2, 2016 20:08:13 GMT
If you remember it was stated that, after the deal with Turkey was done to restrict access by the shortest route to an EU country that we would see a huge increase in the attempts across to Italy from (mainly) Libya and a huge rise in resultant deaths by drowning. Whatever happened to that prediction? Roger Erdogan has allegedly said if EU doesnt allow visa free travel for Turks then he will end any interdiction in migrant travel through Turkey. Time to build a wall. And a senior German politician has warned Erdogan that the EU will not be blackmailed over this matter. Yeah right! Just watch them buy him off again with another EU fudge dressed up as a ground breaking new deal. Roger
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Post by haulierp on Aug 2, 2016 20:36:25 GMT
Erdogan has allegedly said if EU doesnt allow visa free travel for Turks then he will end any interdiction in migrant travel through Turkey. Time to build a wall. And a senior German politician has warned Erdogan that the EU will not be blackmailed over this matter. Yeah right! Just watch them buy him off again with another EU fudge dressed up as a ground breaking new deal. Roger I think in many ways,Turkeys relationship with Europe is akin to that of Russia"s
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Post by ammodels on Aug 2, 2016 21:05:56 GMT
And a senior German politician has warned Erdogan that the EU will not be blackmailed over this matter. Yeah right! Just watch them buy him off again with another EU fudge dressed up as a ground breaking new deal. Roger I think in many ways,Turkeys relationship with Europe is akin to that of Russia"s If anything Turkey is in a stronger position, it affects Eu's pockets which is way more scary to them than the deaths of millions.
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