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Post by patty on Dec 8, 2019 19:42:36 GMT
Wayne,you have a gem of a missus.Hope you're going to spoil her at Christmas.😊 I treat her all year round I dont wait for xmas and the one day. Hey i have bought her another boat now. And i will do all the work on it for her to show how much i love her ) I got her a nice surprise prezzie on its way though , i know how much she can make a rounded veg more cube like when peeled, so she will love this.......... U saying she's gonna be pleased with this?...wow...
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Post by Trina on Dec 8, 2019 19:45:41 GMT
I think the spelling is correct if you are from the black country. It ay...😐
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Post by faffer on Dec 9, 2019 20:17:46 GMT
Its a joke prezzy ( but useful lol ), i really got her a new pair of boots and heated jacket for when she watches the grandson play football. She has a good sense of humour, yes she has to living with me lol
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Post by faffer on Dec 16, 2019 18:44:46 GMT
Hi all, hope is going well now winter is upon us. For me its slow as for some reason work had picked up on the Wayne Boat works. Which i am happy about as all goes into the boat funds for this. Sooooo then I believe i am deloooded, thick and stupid for even thinking about stretching a boat. And some that was from a Marine Engineer, i just asked about it. Like the stubborn sod i am until i am told the reason and and why it will not work. Nobody ahs yet but it will have as much structure as a sausage. So not giving up yet with a negative comments while driving around the 12hrs i do, so plenty of time to faff in my head i have thoughts pop in my head all the time. Many years ago had a 26 foot cruiser that i was about to extend the rear deck by 8 foot. Why i didnt think of the way i planned that to extend the Norman the same way. My plan was to make a mould from the stern section of the hull only. This is then moved to the stern of the original hull but over lap by around 300mm and screwed down and braced all around etc to hold the mould in place. So the idea is to laminate the mould up and over lap the original transom by say 100mm all around. So this way the new hull stern section will be bonded to the original transom and bolted also to give more peace of mind. So that is the hull done, so onto the top section, here it will of been cut and removed before hand of the hulls section being done. So just the rear deck section will be moved back the the gap in the middle filled in and windows resett in place. EASY See looks great The reason behind this way of doing it is that it will only have one cut, or section as unlike the cut n shut where there will be two. And the top section is on top as all i can describe is as bricks are laid in a brick stretcher pattern so this give more support/strength. Not to sure on the mould thickness yet but quick ork out i plan o 4 lams of 600grm CSM to give a thickness rough;y of 6mm with braces bonded in to keep it straight as possible. Although i could get away maybe with a three 450grm CSM to reduce cost and weight on the one of mould. I have been thinking on making a plug mould from timber and ply etc etc to save on the £000 in GRP materials but i will get a better finish quicker if i use the boat to make the female mould. Cost to make the extension using a mould from the boat is around £1500 in materials. That sound s lot yes. Now if you see what a good shell of 38 foot, being the largest inland narrow beam cruiser, goes for is around £3k and thus cost me £1200 with engine i am not doing to bad for a 44 footer spec built. So that was a quickly i have been thinking on All best to you all Admiral Faffer.
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Post by patty on Dec 16, 2019 18:46:49 GMT
Wow.... there r no words... think this little project will keep u busy for a long time....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 18:57:17 GMT
This is then moved to the stern of the original hull but over lap by around 300mm and screwed down and braced all around etc to hold the mould in place. So the idea is to laminate the mould up and over lap the original transom by say 100mm all around. So this way the new hull stern section will be bonded to the original transom and bolted also to give more peace of mind. Will it still go through narrow locks? And did you call my mate Frank about the other Norman 32 ? I think he might want to get it moved even if it means cutting it on site
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Post by faffer on Dec 16, 2019 19:17:46 GMT
Wow.... there r no words... think this little project will keep u busy for a long time.... Well the last one took me just over 4 years , this one i dont want to think about it lol. This is then moved to the stern of the original hull but over lap by around 300mm and screwed down and braced all around etc to hold the mould in place. So the idea is to laminate the mould up and over lap the original transom by say 100mm all around. So this way the new hull stern section will be bonded to the original transom and bolted also to give more peace of mind. Will it still go through narrow locks? And did you call my mate Frank about the other Norman 32 ? I think he might want to get it moved even if it means cutting it on site Yes called him although just now , he wants a bit more than i would pay at the minute but he is going to see how he gets on with it and mayeb be be in touch. I am sure the shortest lock is about 55 foot so aslong a si make it straight and not dog leg it then it should be fine
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 19:24:24 GMT
I was thinking about the width of the boat if you were to overlap it.
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Post by faffer on Dec 16, 2019 19:28:22 GMT
Nah it wont be over lapped, the yellow line is a plug mould that i move back and laminate up the new hull inside it then remove the plug to give a new stern all level with the original boat.
So just making a mould for the original boat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 19:32:42 GMT
Sorry I misunderstood what you meant. You know what you are doing. I'm glad that someone does It would be pretty wicked to do a 45-50ft narrow beam grp.
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Post by faffer on Dec 16, 2019 19:41:51 GMT
I thk i know what i am doing, if not hey ho its fun anyway I reckon it would be great and different aswell. I have it all in my head how it will be so just hope i can do it. For one the front V berth will be fixed and a proper mattress not a bloody foam thing. Stove inbetween the galley and the seating area int cabin. Oooo dont get me kiddy
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Post by freewind on Dec 23, 2019 23:18:22 GMT
Really like the idea of a stretched Norman,after all it is quite common for steel boats to be "stretched". In a different incarnation,I was involved with light aircraft especially the homebuilding scene. As well as wood and fabric aircraft there were quite a few using a new building method (at the time) and that was polyurethane foam of varying densities depending on the strength required and fibreglass skin on top.The foam is easily cut and sculpted to shape and gel coat spread on the fibreglass and again sculpted to shape with a power sander. Just thinking,would this type of construction be an easier way of doing your project?
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Post by samsam on Dec 24, 2019 2:18:03 GMT
I think you need to consider very carefully where you are going to cut. Simply slicing it in half at the same point through roof, sides and bottom will produce a very weak structure. Most big stretches on steel boats cut through so that no two sections are cut in the same vertical place. So roof cut forward, possibly on an angle to the center line, cabin side cut further back, below gunwale cut further forward and the bottom in a totally different place. This dovetailing of the sections will result in spreading the bending stresses across new and old giving less chance of a continuous crack breaking through. Of course it is more complicted but stands a better chance of success.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 24, 2019 6:36:01 GMT
I think you need to consider very carefully where you are going to cut. Simply slicing it in half at the same point through roof, sides and bottom will produce a very weak structure. Most big stretches on steel boats cut through so that no two sections are cut in the same vertical place. So roof cut forward, possibly on an angle to the center line, cabin side cut further back, below gunwale cut further forward and the bottom in a totally different place. This dovetailing of the sections will result in spreading the bending stresses across new and old giving less chance of a continuous crack breaking through. Of course it is more complicted but stands a better chance of success. That might be the ideal way of stretching a steel boat ..... but with shipowners being tight ......... erm anyway, often barges being stretched or shortened or modified in drastic ways for a given contract are often just cut and shut as simply as possible
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 8:54:15 GMT
I can't but help think of a joke concerning penis enlargement (can't think which comedian but it may have been Jim Jefferies): How small does your willy have to be before you'd let someone cut it in half?
Samsam's suggestion seems very sensible but adds complication. I was imagining some stiffening fillets perhaps made of ply and 3x2 to form a sort of T shape which is then heavily glassed in with polyester resin. Cutting out the various components - easy. Getting everything clean before bonding - time consuming.
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