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Post by kris on Sept 1, 2016 4:51:58 GMT
Showed your post to the missus,Kris and asked her opinion about ripping out our hassle n stink free pump out setup and replacing it with an environmentally friendly system like yours. I didn't really catch what she said after the ' don't be such a fuckin idiot you dirty fuckin pig' comment and slap round the ear-ole!!! all this tells me though Andy is who wears the trousers in your household. Does she tell you what clothes to wear everyday, or just when you go out with herself?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 6:28:23 GMT
Showed your post to the missus,Kris and asked her opinion about ripping out our hassle n stink free pump out setup and replacing it with an environmentally friendly system like yours. I didn't really catch what she said after the ' don't be such a fuckin idiot you dirty fuckin pig' comment and slap round the ear-ole!!! all this tells me though Andy is who wears the trousers in your household... They might be naturists though Kris...
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 1, 2016 7:27:21 GMT
Showed your post to the missus,Kris and asked her opinion about ripping out our hassle n stink free pump out setup and replacing it with an environmentally friendly system like yours. I didn't really catch what she said after the ' don't be such a fuckin idiot you dirty fuckin pig' comment and slap round the ear-ole!!! all this tells me though Andy is who wears the trousers in your household. Does she tell you what clothes to wear everyday, or just when you go out with herself? This quote tells me 3 things Kris..
1.. Thankfully my missus has no interest in cultivating stenches, disease & fly infestations in our boat...Good on her I say! 2.. She still maintains her humour and fishwife attitudes that first attracted me to her. 3.. You seem to have an obsession with overbearing wives judging how you've accused a couple of people on here now of being 'under the thumb'... Perhaps your past experiences with these henpecking / strong willed type of ladies has led you to your present life of 'hiding in the woods stirring your cauldrons of festering shite in a 'Hubble-Bubble-Toil & Trouble' type of way...There is help available via you local mental health service for this type of inadequacy!
Not Naturalists alas, I don't think the missus's kneecaps could take the pounding from her sagging oomblarters nowadays!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 12:49:31 GMT
I have to say stirring buckets of shit means it's a definite no for me, I haven't a stout enough stomach for that! It's bad enough emptying a thunderbox.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 1, 2016 14:24:05 GMT
I'm partially sided with Kris for having a go at this, I'm not quite sure what one eventually does with the compost.... I have read somewhere that human faeces is not really a good medium in which to grow tomatoes, carrots and runner beans which you intend to eat. Harmful bacteria and viruses may still be present. Does anyone here know what actually happens at sewage plants, and what happens to the end products? It's not something I've ever really thought about. It's probably a fascinating subject - but for me my next research is going to be about the Llangollen Canal and surrounding area.
Our bikes: for the past year these have been outside a lot in the rain, and on the roof of the boat in all weathers (when we've been boating), and I removed the chains and brought them home. The rust seemed to be just light surface rust, and they have been dealt with a scrubbing brush and cream cleaner, rinsed thoroughly, and put in the sauna for a day to dry. Now they are soaking in 0-30W engine oil for a week (in little plastic bowls). Then they'll be hung up for a week to drip dry, wiped with kitchen towel, have kitchen towel pulled through each link to remove any remaining dirt, and packed in plastic bags for their flight over in October. At least doing the Leeds & Liverpool next Summer, we should have opportunities to ride our bikes around a bit too.
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Post by PaulG2 on Sept 1, 2016 15:14:33 GMT
I'm partially sided with Kris for having a go at this, I'm not quite sure what one eventually does with the compost.... I have read somewhere that human faeces is not really a good medium in which to grow tomatoes, carrots and runner beans which you intend to eat. Harmful bacteria and viruses may still be present. Does anyone here know what actually happens at sewage plants, and what happens to the end products? It's not something I've ever really thought about. It's probably a fascinating subject - but for me my next research is going to be about the Llangollen Canal and surrounding area. Our bikes: for the past year these have been outside a lot in the rain, and on the roof of the boat in all weathers (when we've been boating), and I removed the chains and brought them home. The rust seemed to be just light surface rust, and they have been dealt with a scrubbing brush and cream cleaner, rinsed thoroughly, and put in the sauna for a day to dry. Now they are soaking in 0-30W engine oil for a week (in little plastic bowls). Then they'll be hung up for a week to drip dry, wiped with kitchen towel, have kitchen towel pulled through each link to remove any remaining dirt, and packed in plastic bags for their flight over in October. At least doing the Leeds & Liverpool next Summer, we should have opportunities to ride our bikes around a bit too. Since you asked..... Here is a diagram of a septic system. A sewage treatment plant is essentially a huge septic system. in a septic/sewage treatment system, there are a lot of bacteria and enzymes that are shit eaters and these critters reduce the amount of solid waste to a minimal amount of sludge that ultimately needs to be pumped out and disposed of. The remaining liquid, though is is ugly and repulsive, doesn't really have too much odor and isn't all that noxious. On Lopez Island we had a sewer system where each home had a septic tank but, rather than a drainfield, which could have polluted the groundwater or bay, the second tank chamber had a pump and a float switch that pumped the liquid to the "sewage processing area", which consisted of about a one acre pond. The liquid was aerated in the pond, lightly chlorinated to kill any remaining bacteria, viruses, etc and then was clean enough to be pumped into Puget Sound, which is a pretty pristine waterway and had very strict regulations about what could be dumped into it - so, essentially, that liquid was actually pretty darn clean. Disposing of the sludge is another issue altogether, and is quite controversial. The sludge, while it is no longer human waste, can contain concentrations of heavy metals and even prescription drugs, like antibiotics. If used as mulch or fertilizer, those heavy metals and drugs can migrate into the crops, both internally and externally, and, when it rains, they can runoff into the rivers and streams where runoff goes and pollute those watersheds.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 1, 2016 15:51:37 GMT
So what does happen to the sludge from huge sewage works? Who takes it where? It all sounds a bit mysterious to me, and I bet it just gets put in barges and dumped at sea anyway, at night, when no-one's looking.
Perhaps I should ask where Himanka's sewage works is located, and find out more... well, if I have time... but you know me, I'm the one that claims all this 're-cycling' is bogus and everything just gets chucked into the landfill - I mean, everyone's done their bit, right? And everyone is ignorant, and happy to be ignorant. It's like giving 50p to Cancer Research and feeling all rosy.
I mean - a container for glass bottles. Now where does all that smashed glass with the labels go to? It's all different coloured glass, and whay of the liquids left in the bottles? And all the other rubbish people have thrown into that bottles bin, partly because the other bins are choc-a-bloc full (see my photo album this evening for evidence!), and partly 'cos they couldn't care less. Is there a factory of oompah-loompahs sorting all the fragments out and soaking off the labels?
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 1, 2016 16:21:36 GMT
Sludge being dumped out at sea at night by barges has to be better than a bucket of sludge stored on a barge during summer days😷
Recycling Coloured beer stained glass on an industrial scale and a bucket of festering stinking piss & shit in a 6x6 room are different ends of the spectrum really...is it really worth it?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 1, 2016 18:21:03 GMT
I personally think everyone should poo in a small cardboard box and send them all to 10, Downing Street. Oh, No.11 too.
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Post by kris on Sept 1, 2016 19:28:48 GMT
I like the way everybody is an expert, yet have no experience of compost loos. Clean water is becoming a rare commodity, if you where designing a system to deal with human waste now you would not have it use so much clean fresh water. But most people just want to flush the loo and forget all about it. The same as they just want to flick a switch the light come on and not think about it. People who livaboard boats take responsibility for generating power why not take responsibility for their shit? One of the next things I'll be making is a water filtration system for my grey water and to be able to take water from the cut and use it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 19:36:36 GMT
I like the way everybody is an expert, yet have no experience of compost loos. Clean water is becoming a rare commodity, if you where designing a system to deal with human waste now you would not have it use so much clean fresh water. But most people just want to flush the loo and forget all about it. The same as they just want to flick a switch the light come on and not think about it. People who livaboard boats take responsibility for generating power why not take responsibility for their shit? One of the next things I'll be making is a water filtration system for my grey water and to be able to take water from the cut and use it. See, I fancy a reverse osmosis plant, Mrs grumpy gets through an incredible amount of water - taps are few and far between and we only have space for a 250l tank, not looked seriously into it though.
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Post by kris on Sept 1, 2016 19:55:01 GMT
Reverse osmosis uses a lot of energy, but it's do able. Water makers they call them on lumpy water boats.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 20:00:21 GMT
That's the sticking point, I think if we could generate 50l+ a day while cruising it may be worth considering.
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Post by kris on Sept 1, 2016 20:02:31 GMT
Very doable as you say when your engine is running.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 20:15:58 GMT
That may have to be next winters project - this winter the old girl is going to have a fair but of time and money on the heads refit along with lifting the motor and 'box out so I can replace the skeg bolts I avoided doing two years ago when I fitted the new steel skeg.
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