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Post by peterboat on Oct 3, 2019 16:26:05 GMT
"Only a complete idiot would blame this on Brexit its a worldwide trend. Equally only a complete idiot would try and claim that Nisson will not consider Brexit uncertainty and potential tariffs into the EU when rationalizing their EU production. Alternatively they may take the view that there will be a post Brexit boom and everyone in the UK will want a new Nissan." www.rollonfriday.com/discussion/nissan-cutting-12500-jobs-worldwideYes Foxy, exactly, car manufacturing is indeed under pressure world wide, which why the likes of Nissan and PSA are looking at ways of further minimising costs and rationalization of production facilities. Precisely why they don't want the additional burden of borders with frictions and checks, both of which cause hassle and bring additional costs, why have the aggro if you can just base production in the EU without the UK? It doesn't make business sense. I expect Vauxhall production to go the same way and actually as a brand probably disappear all together within 5 to 10 years. (Just the Opel brand to survive.) The EU deal to remove tariffs on imports from Japan doesnt help Martin, by the way like the new avatar
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 16:28:46 GMT
Car companies have been moving out of the uk for years, it's nothing new. Brexit is a very convenient excuse at the moment.Considering they have no idea what will happen until the deal/no deal is confirmed. Except of course if you actually listen to the reasons why a no deal Brexit would adversely affect UK car production it becomes not an 'excuse' but perfectly understandable. (Of course I can understand why some just ignore it and push it under the carpet though.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 16:30:55 GMT
Yes Foxy, exactly, car manufacturing is indeed under pressure world wide, which why the likes of Nissan and PSA are looking at ways of further minimising costs and rationalization of production facilities. Precisely why they don't want the additional burden of borders with frictions and checks, both of which cause hassle and bring additional costs, why have the aggro if you can just base production in the EU without the UK? It doesn't make business sense. I expect Vauxhall production to go the same way and actually as a brand probably disappear all together within 5 to 10 years. (Just the Opel brand to survive.) The EU deal to remove tariffs on imports from Japan doesnt help Martin, by the way like the new avatar Of course. Another reason why we should have stayed in. But now we are going the best some of us are hoping for is a decent deal with minimal to no affect on UK industry.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 3, 2019 16:52:35 GMT
Car companies have been moving out of the uk for years, it's nothing new. Brexit is a very convenient excuse at the moment.Considering they have no idea what will happen until the deal/no deal is confirmed. Except of course if you actually listen to the reasons why a no deal Brexit would adversely affect UK car production it becomes not an 'excuse' but perfectly understandable. (Of course I can understand why some just ignore it and push it under the carpet though.) Still an excuse. Do you or they know that there will be no deal? And a lot of ifs and buts in their reasoning. The European car manufacturers will have to have a level paying field with non eu manufacturers. Anyways, they you or I have no idea what will happen on November 1st, even if anything happens. The cost of a production line stoping is no reason, which they claim will devastate the industry. I worked for Dupont as a quality control inspector at the transit factory. It was so Boring. The production line stopped for hours at a time almost on a daily basis and this was 20 years ago
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 3, 2019 17:03:07 GMT
Its funny how you can condemn an entire culture for racism while spouting xenophobic bullshit of your own in almost the same sentence. It's an art.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 3, 2019 17:40:47 GMT
Is it me, but it seems the PR on Boris’s latest ‘proposal’ just deals with the NI situation. What about the rest of May’s proposal which pretty much would lock us into the European State for good by contract? Maybe everyone has forgotten by now..baa... It might be better if it did deal with the NI situation, it doesn't, not in a way that fulfils the good Friday agreement "no customs checks on the island". Promises are made to be broken, in lying tory minds. It's all a set up for Boris to blame the EU when he gets his longed for No Deal. See you in the queues Mr Stabby . You'll never see me queueing up at Dover in a truck for the simple reason that I'm not Polish/ Lithuanian/ Slovakian or any of the other nationalities which carry out the British continental industry these days. Still, at least we can hope to be able to earn a humdrum and much diminished income doing domestic work for a few years yet, now that the eu's plans to remove UK cabotage restrictions have gone tits-up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 17:46:06 GMT
production line stopped for hours at a time almost on a daily basis and this was 20 years ago I thought you were younger than that ! Suspect you are right that sweet fa will happen at the end of October.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 17:48:21 GMT
It might be better if it did deal with the NI situation, it doesn't, not in a way that fulfils the good Friday agreement "no customs checks on the island". Promises are made to be broken, in lying tory minds. It's all a set up for Boris to blame the EU when he gets his longed for No Deal. See you in the queues Mr Stabby . You'll never see me queueing up at Dover in a truck for the simple reason that I'm not Polish/ Lithuanian/ Slovakian or any of the other nationalities which carry out the British continental industry these days. Still, at least we can hope to be able to earn a humdrum and much diminished income doing domestic work for a few years yet, now that the eu's plans to remove UK cabotage restrictions have gone tits-up. When I see the words EU and cabotage I always read it with an S !
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 3, 2019 17:51:23 GMT
production line stopped for hours at a time almost on a daily basis and this was 20 years ago I thought you were younger than that ! . Probably looks that young because he’s been stood round doing fuck all but drinking tea for years waiting for the production line to start up again! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 17:55:38 GMT
Amazing to spend 20 years and not discover beer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 18:40:42 GMT
Except of course if you actually listen to the reasons why a no deal Brexit would adversely affect UK car production it becomes not an 'excuse' but perfectly understandable. (Of course I can understand why some just ignore it and push it under the carpet though.) Still an excuse. Do you or they know that there will be no deal? And a lot of ifs and buts in their reasoning. The European car manufacturers will have to have a level paying field with non eu manufacturers. Anyways, they you or I have no idea what will happen on November 1st, even if anything happens. The cost of a production line stoping is no reason, which they claim will devastate the industry. I worked for Dupont as a quality control inspector at the transit factory. It was so Boring. The production line stopped for hours at a time almost on a daily basis and this was 20 years ago Yes, you and I have no idea but I'm interested in what business leaders are saying, and mostly it seems bad. They to me have more idea as to what might happen, certainly more than some bloke down the pub who keeps teling us we should just get out whatever.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 3, 2019 18:44:26 GMT
Still an excuse. Do you or they know that there will be no deal? And a lot of ifs and buts in their reasoning. The European car manufacturers will have to have a level paying field with non eu manufacturers. Anyways, they you or I have no idea what will happen on November 1st, even if anything happens. The cost of a production line stoping is no reason, which they claim will devastate the industry. I worked for Dupont as a quality control inspector at the transit factory. It was so Boring. The production line stopped for hours at a time almost on a daily basis and this was 20 years ago Yes, you and I have no idea but I'm interested in what business leaders are saying, and mostly it seems bad. They to me have more idea as to what might happen, certainly more than some bloke down the pub who keeps teling us we should just get out whatever. on the whole, you're probaly right. But they are paid to worry and to think of every possable outcome.
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Post by Jim on Oct 3, 2019 18:45:26 GMT
You'll never see me queueing up at Dover in a truck for the simple reason that I'm not Polish/ Lithuanian/ Slovakian or any of the other nationalities which carry out the British continental industry these days. Still, at least we can hope to be able to earn a humdrum and much diminished income doing domestic work for a few years yet, now that the eu's plans to remove UK cabotage restrictions have gone tits-up. When I see the words EU and cabotage I always read it with an S ! I thought it was a vegetable, one of the cabbages.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 3, 2019 18:47:17 GMT
production line stopped for hours at a time almost on a daily basis and this was 20 years ago I thought you were younger than that ! Suspect you are right that sweet fa will happen at the end of October. It was on of my very first jobs I was 18/19. It was night work and paid really well but 12 hour shifts and I had to cycle 2 hours each way on a borrowed sit up and beg hovis delivery style bike. With 3 sturmy archer gears. It was a tough time in my life. I'm 39 and 40 in 3 months.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 3, 2019 18:49:09 GMT
Still an excuse. Do you or they know that there will be no deal? And a lot of ifs and buts in their reasoning. The European car manufacturers will have to have a level paying field with non eu manufacturers. Anyways, they you or I have no idea what will happen on November 1st, even if anything happens. The cost of a production line stoping is no reason, which they claim will devastate the industry. I worked for Dupont as a quality control inspector at the transit factory. It was so Boring. The production line stopped for hours at a time almost on a daily basis and this was 20 years ago Yes, you and I have no idea but I'm interested in what business leaders are saying, and mostly it seems bad. What is bad for wealthy business leaders might not be bad for those whose toil they make that wealth from.
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