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Post by Graham on Sept 4, 2016 11:18:26 GMT
Notice Alert Grand Union Canal Starts At: Lock 14, Top Lock Ends At: Lock 20 Saturday 3 September 2016 22:30 until further notice Type: Navigation Closure Reason: Boat damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original message: The Stoke Bruerne Flight is closed until further notice due to a boat sinking in lock 15. The situation will be assessed in daylight hours and further updates will be posted tomorrow You can view this notice and its map online here: canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/9279/stoke-bruerne-lock-14-to-20 |
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 4, 2016 20:47:34 GMT
There were quite a few last year and yes, there seem to be more this year. But it's always hard to know if it seems that way just because of the advances in communication/social media. Generally, the canals seem a bit quieter than they were a few years ago so it's hard to know why there might be a sudden increase in accidents.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 4, 2016 20:55:57 GMT
Generally, the canals seem a bit quieter than they were a few years ago so it's hard to know why there might be a sudden increase in accidents. All the boaters and lockies I've spoken to have said it's been a very quiet year for boat movements and to me, this year does seem to be a lot quieter than last year, with fewer moving boats and more moored boats, I don't know why this would be, particularly as diesel is cheaper this year than last. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 4, 2016 21:37:25 GMT
Maybe more boats are sinking because of Brexit?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 21:51:57 GMT
Maybe more boats are sinking because of Brexit? I think it's due to some CWF members getting fed up with the forum and taking their boat out of the marina for the first time.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 22:03:41 GMT
Too much haste. Speedfreaks not concentrating on what they are doing in their haste to spot boats to moan about.
I'm investing in some exocets for next summer.
Some will be suitable for huddomites, having been tastefully embellished with false rivets.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 4, 2016 22:08:19 GMT
Maybe more boats are sinking because of Brexit? I think it's due to some CWF members getting fed up with the forum and taking their boat out of the marina for the first time. Funnily enough, we saw the CWDF site owner's boat earlier this year and it looked like it hadn't moved for months. |
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Post by Graham on Sept 4, 2016 22:08:27 GMT
There were quite a few last year and yes, there seem to be more this year. But it's always hard to know if it seems that way just because of the advances in communication/social media. Generally, the canals seem a bit quieter than they were a few years ago so it's hard to know why there might be a sudden increase in accidents. Could it be the canals being quiet more boats are going through locks alone and the eyes of other boaters are not there stopping things going badly wrong. Don't know just a thought |
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 4, 2016 22:12:40 GMT
There were quite a few last year and yes, there seem to be more this year. But it's always hard to know if it seems that way just because of the advances in communication/social media. Generally, the canals seem a bit quieter than they were a few years ago so it's hard to know why there might be a sudden increase in accidents. Could it be the canals being quiet more boats are going through locks alone and the eyes of other boaters are not there stopping things going badly wrong. Don't know just a thought It would be interesting to review the sinkings in wide locks vs narrow locks, against the ratio of wide locks to narrow locks on the system. From memory it does seem that there are more sinkings in wide locks, although the recent fatality in a Droitwich was a narrow lock. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Sept 5, 2016 10:08:27 GMT
Sinkings in locks do seem to be occurring more frequently, and it's mainly due to locks being worked too slowly, by people who insist on closing gates before getting some paddle up at the other end and then filling or emptying the lock with partially drawn paddles.
The effect of all this slow motion farting about is that there's too little water movement to draw boats against the bottom gates going downhill, so they're more likely to drift back over the cill, and too little turbulence to keep the boats jiggling about enough not to get caught on protrusions in the chamber walls or the top gates when going uphill.
Add the fact that when doing something slowly, and assuming that 'slowly' equates to 'safely', people do tend to get lulled into thinking that nothing will go wrong and become less alert and watchful, and you have the perfect recipe for working a lock to go wrong, . . . as a great many of today's pleasure boaters seem intent on demonstrating.
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Post by Graham on Sept 5, 2016 10:57:03 GMT
Sinkings in locks do seem to be occurring more frequently, and it's mainly due to locks being worked too slowly, by people who insist on closing gates before getting some paddle up at the other end and then filling or emptying the lock with partially drawn paddles. The effect of all this slow motion farting about is that there's too little water movement to draw boats against the bottom gates going downhill, so they're more likely to drift back over the cill, and too little turbulence to keep the boats jiggling about enough not to get caught on protrusions in the chamber walls or the top gates when going uphill. Add the fact that when doing something slowly, and assuming that 'slowly' equates to 'safely', people do tend to get lulled into thinking that nothing will go wrong and become less alert and watchful, and you have the perfect recipe for working a lock to go wrong, . . . as a great many of today's pleasure boaters seem intent on demonstrating. So add alcohol to the mix and things become very dangerous. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Sept 5, 2016 11:17:47 GMT
Sinkings in locks do seem to be occurring more frequently, and it's mainly due to locks being worked too slowly, by people who insist on closing gates before getting some paddle up at the other end and then filling or emptying the lock with partially drawn paddles. The effect of all this slow motion farting about is that there's too little water movement to draw boats against the bottom gates going downhill, so they're more likely to drift back over the cill, and too little turbulence to keep the boats jiggling about enough not to get caught on protrusions in the chamber walls or the top gates when going uphill. Add the fact that when doing something slowly, and assuming that 'slowly' equates to 'safely', people do tend to get lulled into thinking that nothing will go wrong and become less alert and watchful, and you have the perfect recipe for working a lock to go wrong, . . . as a great many of today's pleasure boaters seem intent on demonstrating. So add alcohol to the mix and things become very dangerous. I'm not so sure they do. Drunks do have a happy knack of emerging unscathed from incidents of the sort that normally end in disaster for the sober, so maybe there would be less sinkings if there was a minimum, and quite high, blood/alcohol level set for those wanting to take their boats through locks. |
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 5, 2016 12:58:11 GMT
So add alcohol to the mix and things become very dangerous. I'm not so sure they do. Drunks do have a happy knack of emerging unscathed from incidents of the sort that normally end in disaster for the sober, so maybe there would be less sinkings if there was a minimum, and quite high, blood/alcohol level set for those wanting to take their boats through locks. No, mandatory amphetamines would be better, then people would get a move on. |
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Post by rockdodger on Sept 5, 2016 13:32:02 GMT
So zooming around half cut, just need some dreadful american music to keep the beat & we have the full trifecta😀
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2016 13:50:49 GMT
I partially disagree with Tony because I also see some validity in his comment - I think going slowly is OK so long as you keep an eye on all things all the time. I really don't understand how cilling occurs - there are signs all over the shop to remind you of the danger, and if you have a long boat (we don't) surely that would be your Number One priority?
Aren't statistics and statements kept somewhere?
eg. "Why did you sink your boat in the lock by having the back edge of your boat on the cill?" "Because I'm a dimwit."
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