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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:27:50 GMT
I'm interested in the suicide stats. Not for morbid or especially negative reasons but it will be interesting to see once all the i's and t's are dotted and crossed. I was talking to Sam on the phone just an hour or two ago and he told me that someone he knows personally from University committed suicide a week or so ago because she couldn't cope with the lockdown. I often look at the Thames tideway traffic on a site called "myshiptracking" it's similar to flightradar24 but for boats. There has been much less traffic in general on the River lately but yesterday I noticed the lifeboat and a PLA launch were doing a search pattern near the QE2 bridge. Another jumper no doubt. Whether it was related who knows but it does seem probable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:29:24 GMT
Yes, the evidence so far is that the effects of this virus is similar to the influenza virus in other years. The argument is whether the lock down has saved lives or not. The evidence is not there yet but it will be. I can't help but wonder if there are very influential vested interests involved in this- the pharmaceutical and care industries for example, who both have very strong financial interests in keeping elderly people alive and so view them as a cash crop, to be kept consuming at all costs regardless of collateral damage to other sections of society. Yes I’m sure greed is behind some of it. I have been told there are good people in high places by someone in a high place. (not that one BTW, I’m not Mr Icke)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:32:41 GMT
The movement restrictions were entirely focused on preventing the NHS being swamped with critically ill. The current data suggests, as Mr Stabby has said, that the vast majority of deaths occur in the elderly, and those with pre existing health problems ... but too many critically ill at once would create the chaos and appalling sights seen in Italy. As most world governments have taken a similar course of action it seems illogical to suggest it was the wrong thing to do. The next steps become increasingly tricky ... if freedom of movement is permitted, all the good work so far (and the damage to the economy as well) will be for no advantage. Hopefully greater minds than ours are currently devising the next steps. Rog I suspect the next steps will be from those who are in lockdown. The government will be left with the phrase “There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them.”
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Post by JohnV on Apr 26, 2020 20:34:12 GMT
I'd rather cuff him round the ear, hoping to do that at some point. definitely a nasty twat
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 26, 2020 20:34:35 GMT
As most world governments have taken a similar course of action it seems illogical to suggest it was the wrong thing to do. By this way of thinking there was a time when most people thought the world was flat so it would have been illogical to suggest it was round.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:36:33 GMT
I'm interested in the suicide stats. Not for morbid or especially negative reasons but it will be interesting to see once all the i's and t's are dotted and crossed. I was talking to Sam on the phone just an hour or two ago and he told me that someone he knows personally from University committed suicide a week or so ago because she couldn't cope with the lockdown. It’s crap isn’t it? I can’t really complain about my situation ATM but there is an overwhelming feeling which tells me something is wrong. Last time I felt this was on 9/11. I think this is a similar opening gambit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:38:44 GMT
Yes, the evidence so far is that the effects of this virus is similar to the influenza virus in other years. The argument is whether the lock down has saved lives or not. The evidence is not there yet but it will be. I can't help but wonder if there are very influential vested interests involved in this- the pharmaceutical and care industries for example, who both have very strong financial interests in keeping elderly people alive and so view them as a cash crop, to be kept consuming at all costs regardless of collateral damage to other sections of society. Yes, older people are definitely good cash generators for large corporations. You also have to think about how handy it is to kill off a few upstart potentially successful businesses. Nobody likes competition after all. Much better to cut their roots early on. It's been going on for years consolidation and blah blah blah blah blah Some people are enjoying this situation its like a dream come true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:40:11 GMT
I was reading a news report several days ago (and can't find it to link to now) that quoted a figure suggesting that a very high percentage of covid deaths were amongst people who, for whatever reason, may have died very soon anyway (not that makes the loss any less to family and friends).
The current death figures do not include (at present) care home deaths, and as the residents will be very high risk, it suggested the UK death toll from covid could be doubled in due course, but went on to report that very many may well have died other than from covid.
The simple fact remains however, without the restrictions the NHS would have been over run with critically ill and we cannot hope to see full statistics for months to come.
And of course, the risk of a second tsunami of critically ill is still very real.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:43:52 GMT
As most world governments have taken a similar course of action it seems illogical to suggest it was the wrong thing to do. By this way of thinking there was a time when most people thought the world was flat so it would have been illogical to suggest it was round. Proof destroyed that theory. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:48:14 GMT
By this way of thinking there was a time when most people thought the world was flat so it would have been illogical to suggest it was round. Proof destroyed that theory. Rog Yes, when it was proved there were thousands of flat earthers all *around* the world 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:48:46 GMT
This whole situation about health care systems being saturated is interesting.
A very good scare story which was introduced early on.
Not done much research on this but has there actually been an example of a health care system collapsing and all hell breaking loose?
Anywhere?
It's quite a convenient way to alarm people but has it actually ever happened. Maybe it has.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:50:41 GMT
Italy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:54:54 GMT
I was reading a news report several days ago (and can't find it to link to now) that quoted a figure suggesting that a very high percentage of covid deaths were amongst people who, for whatever reason, may have died very soon anyway (not that makes the loss any less to family and friends). The current death figures do not include (at present) care home deaths, and as the residents will be very high risk, it suggested the UK death toll from covid could be doubled in due course, but went on to report that very many may well have died other than from covid. The simple fact remains however, without the restrictions the NHS would have been over run with critically ill and we cannot hope to see full statistics for months to come. And of course, the risk of a second tsunami of critically ill is still very real. Rog But at least if it happens on a second wave there are plans to deal with it, those newly built Nightingale hospitals are empty, ready and waiting. I hope they are never needed, but it was impressive the speed with which they appeared.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 26, 2020 20:58:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:00:12 GMT
By this way of thinking there was a time when most people thought the world was flat so it would have been illogical to suggest it was round. Proof destroyed that theory. Rog Yes, we await proof whether the lock down will kill more than the virus...or not.. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. That’s exactly the problem our government have trying to work out when to relax measures. It’s quite right to err on the side of caution. However it seems some evidence is being ignored.
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