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Post by JohnV on Apr 26, 2020 21:01:03 GMT
I was reading a news report several days ago (and can't find it to link to now) that quoted a figure suggesting that a very high percentage of covid deaths were amongst people who, for whatever reason, may have died very soon anyway (not that makes the loss any less to family and friends). The current death figures do not include (at present) care home deaths, and as the residents will be very high risk, it suggested the UK death toll from covid could be doubled in due course, but went on to report that very many may well have died other than from covid. The simple fact remains however, without the restrictions the NHS would have been over run with critically ill and we cannot hope to see full statistics for months to come. And of course, the risk of a second tsunami of critically ill is still very real. Rog But at least if it happens on a second wave there are plans to deal with it, those newly built Nightingale hospitals are empty, ready and waiting. I hope they are never needed, but it was impressive the speed with which they appeared. It would seem a good possibility we will get through the first peak with a health service battered but intact and with greater capacity than it had before
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:01:18 GMT
Really? I didn't notice a complete loss of the situation in Italy. I know there were a lot of problems but surely if the healthcare systems are overwhelmed this would mean that death rates would go up in an uncontrollable manner and it would all go pear shaped very badly. Yet in Italy it seems to have all sorted itself out. So what is happening ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:07:28 GMT
I was reading aInews report several days ago (and can't find it to link to now) that quoted a figure suggesting that a very high percentage of covid deaths were amongst people who, for whatever reason, may have died very soon anyway (not that makes the loss any less to family and friends). The current death figures do not include (at present) care home deaths, and as the residents will be very high risk, it suggested the UK death toll from covid could be doubled in due course, but went on to report that very many may well have died other than from covid. The simple fact remains however, without the restrictions the NHS would have been over run with critically ill and we cannot hope to see full statistics for months to come. And of course, the risk of a second tsunami of critically ill is still very real. Rog But at least if it happens on a second wave there are plans to deal with it, those newly built Nightingale hospitals are empty, ready and waiting. I hope they are never needed, but it was impressive the speed with which they appeared. Of course there is no unopened box of new staff to man them should they be needed. More duties for increasingly thinly spread existing staff. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:11:58 GMT
Really? I didn't notice a complete loss of the situation in Italy. I know there were a lot of problems but surely if the healthcare systems are overwhelmed this would mean that death rates would go up in an uncontrollable manner and it would all go pear shaped very badly. Yet in Italy it seems to have all sorted itself out. So what is happening ? Italy and Spain were overwhelmed ... not enough staff, equipment, even beds ... people died of the virus and many through lack of basic care facilities. You should read about it JohnV has quoted one article. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:12:33 GMT
I was reading a news report several days ago (and can't find it to link to now) that quoted a figure suggesting that a very high percentage of covid deaths were amongst people who, for whatever reason, may have died very soon anyway (not that makes the loss any less to family and friends). The current death figures do not include (at present) care home deaths, and as the residents will be very high risk, it suggested the UK death toll from covid could be doubled in due course, but went on to report that very many may well have died other than from covid. The simple fact remains however, without the restrictions the NHS would have been over run with critically ill and we cannot hope to see full statistics for months to come. And of course, the risk of a second tsunami of critically ill is still very real. Rog But at least if it happens on a second wave there are plans to deal with it, those newly built Nightingale hospitals are empty, ready and waiting. I hope they are never needed, but it was impressive the speed with which they appeared. That was impressive actually. Maybe it stands us in good stead when a more serious one comes along.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 26, 2020 21:15:42 GMT
I have not been able to find much about the state of Italy's health service that is recent .... articles about it being under severe stress and near breaking point but they are mostly from last month and I could see only one from this month and that was nearly three weeks ago
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:16:49 GMT
Really? I didn't notice a complete loss of the situation in Italy. I know there were a lot of problems but surely if the healthcare systems are overwhelmed this would mean that death rates would go up in an uncontrollable manner and it would all go pear shaped very badly. Yet in Italy it seems to have all sorted itself out. So what is happening ?In Italy - one of my wife's good friends died a week ago, her husband died 3 weeks ago (only found out a few days ago as I hardly knew them) - they leave behind 2 children only 7 or 8 years older than yours.
Both the people who died were working at the local hospital and had been doing so for over 20 years.
4th time I've tried to respond to someone with this info - not sure why but it is now out there......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:19:12 GMT
I have not been able to find much about the state of Italy's health service that is recent .... articles about it being under severe stress and near breaking point but they are mostly from last month and I could see only one from this month and that was nearly three weeks ago Do you have any contacts in Italy?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 26, 2020 21:28:02 GMT
I was reading a news report several days ago (and can't find it to link to now) that quoted a figure suggesting that a very high percentage of covid deaths were amongst people who, for whatever reason, may have died very soon anyway (not that makes the loss any less to family and friends). The current death figures do not include (at present) care home deaths, and as the residents will be very high risk, it suggested the UK death toll from covid could be doubled in due course, but went on to report that very many may well have died other than from covid. The simple fact remains however, without the restrictions the NHS would have been over run with critically ill and we cannot hope to see full statistics for months to come. And of course, the risk of a second tsunami of critically ill is still very real. Rog But at least if it happens on a second wave there are plans to deal with it, those newly built Nightingale hospitals are empty, ready and waiting. I hope they are never needed, but it was impressive the speed with which they appeared. And if there isn't a second wave then these Nightingale hospitals will just have been the most enormous waste of money which we as taxpayers will have funded. It almost seems blasphemy to criticise NHS spending, in fact the NHS seems to be the 21st century version of God, but since it is our money which funds it then the people who make the decisions should be accountable.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 26, 2020 21:28:49 GMT
not any more, my friend out there had a stroke a couple of years ago and we have not been able to keep in meaningful contact
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Post by JohnV on Apr 26, 2020 21:31:23 GMT
But at least if it happens on a second wave there are plans to deal with it, those newly built Nightingale hospitals are empty, ready and waiting. I hope they are never needed, but it was impressive the speed with which they appeared. And if there isn't a second wave then these Nightingale hospitals will just have been the most enormous waste of money which we as taxpayers will have funded. It almost seems blasphemy to criticise NHS spending, in fact the NHS seems to be the 21st century version of God, but since it is our money which funds it then the people who make the decisions should be accountable. don't worry about the money spent .... by the time this is over they will have cracked the driverless lorries and that will save a fortune in drivers wages
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:38:05 GMT
But at least if it happens on a second wave there are plans to deal with it, those newly built Nightingale hospitals are empty, ready and waiting. I hope they are never needed, but it was impressive the speed with which they appeared. And if there isn't a second wave then these Nightingale hospitals will just have been the most enormous waste of money which we as taxpayers will have funded. It almost seems blasphemy to criticise NHS spending, in fact the NHS seems to be the 21st century version of God, but since it is our money which funds it then the people who make the decisions should be accountable. Thankfully we have a democracy, and if it means we pay then so be it, there isn't a lot of point in bleating about it. ETA: although to be strictly honest I'd be very pissed off if they shift my pension age again!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 26, 2020 21:38:18 GMT
And if there isn't a second wave then these Nightingale hospitals will just have been the most enormous waste of money which we as taxpayers will have funded. It almost seems blasphemy to criticise NHS spending, in fact the NHS seems to be the 21st century version of God, but since it is our money which funds it then the people who make the decisions should be accountable. don't worry about the money spent .... by the time this is over they will have cracked the driverless lorries and that will save a fortune in drivers wages Believe me John, driverless lorries are something neither you nor I will ever see, but in any event have nothing to do with NHS spending.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:49:07 GMT
And if there isn't a second wave then these Nightingale hospitals will just have been the most enormous waste of money which we as taxpayers will have funded. It almost seems blasphemy to criticise NHS spending, in fact the NHS seems to be the 21st century version of God, but since it is our money which funds it then the people who make the decisions should be accountable. Thankfully we have a democracy... ....but do we? Didn’t seem much choice in the last election once Corbyn chose to support remain. Even my spell check doesn’t pick him up anymore, The buggers got to him and they probably got to Boris....
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Post by phil70 on Apr 26, 2020 21:49:17 GMT
Expect to see a rise in visits to A&E as part time diy'ers injury themselves trying to do home improvements. One of my boys works in an A&E department, he says it's quieter than he's ever known it. Which,I think demonstrates what I've always said many people visit A&E when they don't need to ,end of Phil
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