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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 8:21:25 GMT
If the purpose was to protect the NHS from being swamped ... I think that was achieved. It's time to live again ... and we're all capable of deciding what level of interaction we are prepared to endure. The virus exists ... I certainly have no wish to spend what life I have left, hiding. Life is full of risk ... most of it unknown. Rog Nail hit squarely on the head. I wish there was more of this type of sensible, pragmatic thinking around news channels and social media rather than the more usual hysterical doom and fear mongering. Well it seems that the Swedish heath service coped despite allowing the population to apply their own common sense. On the media, I wonder how many people died as a result of the hysterical doom and fear mongering? We'll never know, there isn't a test for that...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 8:22:50 GMT
Sorry @bassplayer ... I think that bird's flown ! Rog Sadly I think you may be right.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 8:31:30 GMT
Nail hit squarely on the head. I wish there was more of this type of sensible, pragmatic thinking around news channels and social media rather than the more usual hysterical doom and fear mongering. Well it seems that the Swedish heath service coped despite allowing the population to apply their own common sense. On the media, I wonder how many people died as a result of the hysterical doom and fear mongering? We'll never know, there isn't a test for that... I think the jury is still out on Sweden. Yes they have coped but have one of the highest current deaths from Covid per million of population of medium and large countries.
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Post by lollygagger on May 31, 2020 8:36:50 GMT
Every country's time frame is different. To compare on any given day makes headlines but no sense.
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Post by greenman on May 31, 2020 8:40:03 GMT
The news media is a tricky subject. I've just been reading of the terrible rioting and looting in the USA, curfews being imposed and ignored, cities around the US burning if the reports are to be believed. But then logically I suspect the VAST majority of the US ... indeed the VAST majority of the cities experiencing rioting will not be burning. I suspect there are small pockets of very big troubles. News reporting can seriously swamp you ... then I go out into the world and meet people, and whilst the virus is an unavoidable talking point, those I meet are generally getting on as best they can, and very upbeat. I agree with ianali ... this time next year we'll wonder if it was all a bad dream ... I hope Rog I think the problem is, probably always has been, bad news sells good news doesn't. 30,000 dead makes a better headline than 67 million people getting on with their lives. Parts of New York are burning but most of New York is carrying on as before. Like you say it's a case of not letting all the headlines overwhelm you.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 8:40:12 GMT
In relation to Sweden, surely the death rate doesn't tell the full story (as sad as each death is to the families).
The detail of what age range is most affected will be more significant than mere numbers.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 8:41:17 GMT
Every country's time frame is different. To compare on any given day makes headlines but no sense. True, which is why I mentioned that I think the jury is still out on Sweden.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 8:43:16 GMT
In relation to Sweden, surely the death rate doesn't tell the full story (as sad as each death is to the families). The detail of what age range is most affected will be more significant than mere numbers. Rog I don't think any individual statistic or 'fact' sits alone.
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Post by greenman on May 31, 2020 8:52:16 GMT
In relation to Sweden, surely the death rate doesn't tell the full story (as sad as each death is to the families). The detail of what age range is most affected will be more significant than mere numbers. Rog I was listening to a Professor talking on the radio last week. He was saying that when things have calmed down then the medical profession needs to take a step back and study the figures. He's of the belief that there needs to be two separate figures, those who were apparently healthy and died from COVID, and those who died from COVID but would probably have died from the flu or pneumonia anyway. He says only once you've done that can you assess the true effect of the virus. Quite an in your face comment, but thinking about it he's right.
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Post by JohnV on May 31, 2020 8:59:15 GMT
I have just been amazed at pictures I have seen of a protest march in London about the killing in America ..... is everybody totally braindead?
Packed marchers, no social distancing, protesting "Black Lives Matter" with corona virus and high susceptiblity by the black population.
I cannot believe that people are so stupid.
Much as many of those who have been screaming about Dominic and kicking up a media storm are now being shown up to have been doing the same things or of making up stories and notably some being orchestrated by a senior anti brexit peer.
My position about that has remained the same throughout this thread, which is that it was totally blown out of all proportion and shamefully vindictive.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:01:57 GMT
In relation to Sweden, surely the death rate doesn't tell the full story (as sad as each death is to the families). The detail of what age range is most affected will be more significant than mere numbers. Rog I don't think any individual statistic or 'fact' sits alone. I agree but I was pointing out that their health system hasn't been swamped, it wasn't a statistic, it is a fact. One possible factor maybe is the reluctance to send critical cases from care homes to hospital. Then again haven't we been doing the same here? How long did it take before we started reporting the number of deaths in care homes who had Covid detected in their system?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:02:36 GMT
Absolutely greenman. The stats I posted a day or so ago were illuminating for me ... upto 45 year olds in the UK death rate in 2020 so far is slightly lower than the last five year average ... and if younger age groups are looked at in isolation then the 2020 rate is considerably lower (due to less accidents). The truth can only be available with hindsight. Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:09:07 GMT
I have just been amazed at pictures I have seen of a protest march in London about the killing in America ..... is everybody totally braindead? Packed marchers, no social distancing, protesting "Black Lives Matter" with corona virus and high susceptiblity by the black population. I cannot believe that people are so stupid. Much as many of those who have been screaming about Dominic and kicking up a media storm are now being shown up to have been doing the same things or of making up stories and notably some being orchestrated by a senior anti brexit peer. My position about that has remained the same throughout this thread, which is that it was totally blown out of all proportion and shamefully vindictive. Don't read/watch the media then...(but that's what they want us to think).
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:09:23 GMT
I don't think any individual statistic or 'fact' sits alone. I agree but I was pointing out that their health system hasn't been swamped, it wasn't a statistic, it is a fact. One possible factor maybe is the reluctance to send critical cases from care homes to hospital. Then again haven't we been doing the same here? How long did it take before we started reporting the number of deaths in care homes who had Covid detected in their system? I think most of us agree that only time and detailed analysis will be able to assess the best methods of handling the disease.
It is interesting comparing the Nordic countries though - Sweden stands out like a sore thumb.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:27:30 GMT
In relation to Sweden, surely the death rate doesn't tell the full story (as sad as each death is to the families). The detail of what age range is most affected will be more significant than mere numbers. Rog I was listening to a Professor talking on the radio last week. He was saying that when things have calmed down then the medical profession needs to take a step back and study the figures. He's of the belief that there needs to be two separate figures, those who were apparently healthy and died from COVID, and those who died from COVID but would probably have died from the flu or pneumonia anyway. He says only once you've done that can you assess the true effect of the virus. Quite an in your face comment, but thinking about it he's right. The additional number of deaths over and above the norm tells a story, however it's not clear how much the psychological effects come into play. The study I found on the NHS site a while back pretty much proves that stress and anxiety can double the chances of dying. What's more is that the longer reaching psychological effects of lock down to the economy may live with us for many years after the virus has died out. That tends to affect the poor more. It will be interesting to see the results from the random anti body testing. That way we can finally see how many people might have immunity. The R0 number is pretty meaningless at the moment without that data.
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