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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 19, 2020 11:53:04 GMT
This one is a safer bet, nothing needs doing but still has the character I want. Only downside is total lack of any outside space, not even anywhere to park my motor bike, unless I might get away with tucking it up against the house on the yellow lines. www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-85385117.html
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 12:29:44 GMT
A close inspection of the title plan would be interesting. I wonder if it includes a little tiny bit on the outside or is it just the actual building itself.
The double yellows make me think there are some car problems around there so anything propped up against the building might be a bit vulnerable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 12:35:59 GMT
This one is a safer bet, nothing needs doing but still has the character I want. Only downside is total lack of any outside space, not even anywhere to park my motor bike, unless I might get away with tucking it up against the house on the yellow lines. www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-85385117.htmlThat's one that Jane was drooling over ... solid fuel stove and gas heating too ... and quite quirky Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 19, 2020 12:48:35 GMT
This one is a safer bet, nothing needs doing but still has the character I want. Only downside is total lack of any outside space, not even anywhere to park my motor bike, unless I might get away with tucking it up against the house on the yellow lines. www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-85385117.htmlThat's one that Jane was drooling over ... solid fuel stove and gas heating too ... and quite quirky Rog Horrible sofa, curtains and rug, they need to go in a skip pronto. Yes well if Jane gets more heady thoughts and wants to buy the place tell her not to offer more than £137K. We wouldn't want any virtual gazumping to be going on on Thunderboat, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 12:57:42 GMT
Not in Wales ... never going to happen Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 19, 2020 13:07:30 GMT
Not in Wales ... never going to happen Rog Indeed, you put your foot down on that one! Just had an interesting conversation with the agent about that house. A sale was agreed and only fell through because the seller had replaced the rotten front door with a top quality composite one. It looked exactly the same as the previous one but the 'listed buildings committee' said it was unacceptable, had to be solid wood. This caused the buyer and seller to fall out and the whole thing fell through. Madness.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 19, 2020 20:48:28 GMT
I'm thinking of buying a 200 year old cottage in Wales. It's small, around 15' x 13' with a small extension downstairs for a bathroom. It's very poorly insulated and 'off grid' as regards gas. It's currently only heated by a few electric panel heaters. Not good, would need to be upgraded. The obvious solution is to fit an oil fired central heating system. This is expensive though, and placing a fuel tank somewhere would be difficult, if not impossible. There's an inglenook fireplace downstairs and an apparently lined chimney. Got me thinking; why not fit a suitably sized solid fuel stove with back burner and run some radiators off it? The lowest cost option would be to run just 2 radiators downstairs, one to the kitchen and one to the bathroom. 2 bedrooms upstairs, one will be for storage so just keep an electric panel heater in the bedroom I'll use. Otherwise at an obviously higher cost run radiators all over the house. I'm not clear how these systems work. My best guess is that there's a pump somewhere. Is the pump triggered by a thermostat or is it a manual switch? I've also heard of 'gravity fed systems', what's that about? Would the radiators and piping be standard? I could then plumb and install myself, saving money, maybe just calling an engineer in to check and commission everything. Anyone? Pumped systems suffer from what happens when the pump stops (power cut, or mechanical failure) and the fire is roaring. Back boiler boils, high pressure super heated steam exits somewhere, hopefully not into your face. Gravity systems are intrinsically reliable. The principle being that water expands when hot, so hot water is less dense than cold. So the hot water rises up a pipe, passes through radiators, cools, then falls back to the boiler. Circulating by gravity acting less on the hot water and more on the cold water.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 19, 2020 20:57:51 GMT
I've seen diesel heaters with their own built in tank. Not sure what the make was but bloke I knew had one on a boat. You fill it up daily from a Gerry (are we allowed to say this?) can. That's quirky innit. came across one like that in a gite, decent little unit, very French looking quite ornate in a cream enamel with a small hob area and a small oven.
Like you I unfortunately failed to make a note of the manufacturer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 21:08:54 GMT
I've seen diesel heaters with their own built in tank. Not sure what the make was but bloke I knew had one on a boat. You fill it up daily from a Gerry (are we allowed to say this?) can. That's quirky innit. came across one like that in a gite, decent little unit, very French looking quite ornate in a cream enamel with a small hob area and a small oven.
Like you I unfortunately failed to make a note of the manufacturer
I'll ask Rick who had one if he knows what it was called. Just saw him the other day for first time in several years actually. Will report back with any info. Yes it was a French looking item quite wide with an enamel finish.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 19, 2020 21:57:57 GMT
I'm thinking of buying a 200 year old cottage in Wales. It's small, around 15' x 13' with a small extension downstairs for a bathroom. It's very poorly insulated and 'off grid' as regards gas. It's currently only heated by a few electric panel heaters. Not good, would need to be upgraded. The obvious solution is to fit an oil fired central heating system. This is expensive though, and placing a fuel tank somewhere would be difficult, if not impossible. There's an inglenook fireplace downstairs and an apparently lined chimney. Got me thinking; why not fit a suitably sized solid fuel stove with back burner and run some radiators off it? The lowest cost option would be to run just 2 radiators downstairs, one to the kitchen and one to the bathroom. 2 bedrooms upstairs, one will be for storage so just keep an electric panel heater in the bedroom I'll use. Otherwise at an obviously higher cost run radiators all over the house. I'm not clear how these systems work. My best guess is that there's a pump somewhere. Is the pump triggered by a thermostat or is it a manual switch? I've also heard of 'gravity fed systems', what's that about? Would the radiators and piping be standard? I could then plumb and install myself, saving money, maybe just calling an engineer in to check and commission everything. Anyone? Pumped systems suffer from what happens when the pump stops (power cut, or mechanical failure) and the fire is roaring. Back boiler boils, high pressure super heated steam exits somewhere, hopefully not into your face. Gravity systems are intrinsically reliable. The principle being that water expands when hot, so hot water is less dense than cold. So the hot water rises up a pipe, passes through radiators, cools, then falls back to the boiler. Circulating by gravity acting less on the hot water and more on the cold water. Would you say that a gravity fed system is practical for what is a small house? I understand that keeping the stove up to heat is a faff for some but I've had 7 years experience of that living on my boat. It's not a faff for me, I enjoy it. There's a storage tank for hot water upstairs, presumably heated by an immersion heater. Might this be suitable for use within a solid fuel central heating system? Also, would I still be able to heat water in this during the warmer months, with the immersion heater, or would the hot water simply bugger off downstairs to the radiators?
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 19, 2020 22:11:04 GMT
As a child we lived in a large Georgian house without “proper” central heating. There were 2 radiators and a towel rail in the entire house (which had 5 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms on the first floor, plus an equal area on the second floor we never used (except as a play area). There was a coke fired aga in the kitchen which ran the radiators, one on the upstairs landing, one in the hall plus the towel rail and hot water tank in one of the bathrooms. All circulated by gravity. Gravity circulation thrives on vertical displacement so is ideal for a stove downstairs and radiators / hot water tank upstairs. Getting gravity circulation to work along-the-way is harder.
Just bear in mind that the boiler always needs somewhere for the heat to go, so if it is just connected to a hot water tank, when the hot water gets fully hot there is no-where for the heat to go and boiling steam escaping into your face is the inevitable outcome!
I can’t see there could be an issue with an immersion heater in an upstairs hot water tank causing gravity circulation. The hot water will want to rise and if it’s already at the high point of the system, there ain’t anywhere for it to go. If the worst came to the worst you could simply fit a shut off valve for summer use, but I don’t think it would be needed
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 19, 2020 22:11:37 GMT
ps did I mention the house was bloody freezing! I was mentally scarred for life!
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Post by patty on Jun 20, 2020 5:36:12 GMT
I had an immersion heater which I had on timer for summer months..... worked for me. Presume the header tank above the hot water tank fed the central heating system
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Post by jubjub on Jun 21, 2020 7:56:11 GMT
In a word DONT!!!! We live in a stone cottage in the Brecon hills. It is detached single storey stone building once the blacksmiths to the village and originally dates back over 200 years . It has two foot thick walls, some original without insulation. We originally put in a multi fuel heating system. It lasted two years!We became a slave to it. We burnt wood, coal and brickettes and were always having to source and stack fuel.I was constantly cutting up pallet wood for kindling.We purchased some land from the Church next to us and the deal included them cutting down about 8 dead fir trees which they gave us for fuel.We had to buy a chainsaw, cut them up, carry them to the house, chop them up with an axe and store them. Along with all the pre bought fuel they got used up within 2 years. Don't forget you have to run the stove in summer too. We worked out our fuel bills, less the freebies, was close to £1800 a year for a one bedroom cottage.!!! We did some research and Wales, being similar to a third world country, were giving out green grants. We changed to oil at absolutely no cost to us. They even fireboarded the tank outside and the boiler is an external one too. We have two deliveries if oil a year costing approximately £800 in total.the house is cleaner the stress is gone.😃 We did replace the multi fuel stove (sold on Fleabay along with the boiler and tank) with a small Aga stove but it it is mainly for decoration and only gets used in high days and holidays. Ask away if you want more info but I strongly recommend,from personal experience, not to go down that route. Also Wales us very green orientated and are trying to phase out multi fuel systems.
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Post by patty on Jun 21, 2020 8:28:14 GMT
In a word DONT!!!! We live in a stone cottage in the Brecon hills. It is detached single storey stone building once the blacksmiths to the village and originally dates back over 200 years . It has two foot thick walls, some original without insulation. We originally put in a multi fuel heating system. It lasted two years!We became a slave to it. We burnt wood, coal and brickettes and were always having to source and stack fuel.I was constantly cutting up pallet wood for kindling.We purchased some land from the Church next to us and the deal included them cutting down about 8 dead fir trees which they gave us for fuel.We had to buy a chainsaw, cut them up, carry them to the house, chop them up with an axe and store them. Along with all the pre bought fuel they got used up within 2 years. Don't forget you have to run the stove in summer too. We worked out our fuel bills, less the freebies, was close to £1800 a year for a one bedroom cottage.!!! We did some research and Wales, being similar to a third world country, were giving out green grants. We changed to oil at absolutely no cost to us. They even fireboarded the tank outside and the boiler is an external one too. We have two deliveries if oil a year costing approximately £800 in total.the house is cleaner the stress is gone.😃 We did replace the multi fuel stove (sold on Fleabay along with the boiler and tank) with a small Aga stove but it it is mainly for decoration and only gets used in high days and holidays. Ask away if you want more info but I strongly recommend,from personal experience, not to go down that route. Also Wales us very green orientated and are trying to phase out multi fuel systems. Yes that about sums it up....
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