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Post by JohnV on Jun 21, 2020 9:11:19 GMT
for convenience and cleanliness, oil or gas. Put effort into improving insulation, double/treble glazing etc.
Keep inglenook as a feature which also gives you a back up plan in case of armageddon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 9:32:22 GMT
My aunt who lives in a one up one down cottage in north Norfolk uses a Bubble oil stove downstairs in the original fireplace and electric radiator upstairs. Hot water is immersion in a tank.
Keeps it simple and reliable.
Prior to that she had a more old fashioned flued oil heater.
The oil tank is in the garden which due to being in a terrace of cottages is quite a long way from the property. This doesn't seem to cause a problem.
My old man used to have an AGA and the oil tank must have been about 100ft away in the garden.
I assume it's gravity feed to the regulator and as there is no back boiler the unit will work normally during a power cut.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 21, 2020 11:31:19 GMT
In a word DONT!!!! We live in a stone cottage in the Brecon hills. It is detached single storey stone building once the blacksmiths to the village and originally dates back over 200 years . It has two foot thick walls, some original without insulation. We originally put in a multi fuel heating system. It lasted two years!We became a slave to it. We burnt wood, coal and brickettes and were always having to source and stack fuel.I was constantly cutting up pallet wood for kindling.We purchased some land from the Church next to us and the deal included them cutting down about 8 dead fir trees which they gave us for fuel.We had to buy a chainsaw, cut them up, carry them to the house, chop them up with an axe and store them. Along with all the pre bought fuel they got used up within 2 years. Don't forget you have to run the stove in summer too. We worked out our fuel bills, less the freebies, was close to Β£1800 a year for a one bedroom cottage.!!! We did some research and Wales, being similar to a third world country, were giving out green grants. We changed to oil at absolutely no cost to us. They even fireboarded the tank outside and the boiler is an external one too. We have two deliveries if oil a year costing approximately Β£800 in total.the house is cleaner the stress is gone.π We did replace the multi fuel stove (sold on Fleabay along with the boiler and tank) with a small Aga stove but it it is mainly for decoration and only gets used in high days and holidays. Ask away if you want more info but I strongly recommend,from personal experience, not to go down that route. Also Wales us very green orientated and are trying to phase out multi fuel systems. My number one choice would be an oil central heating system with instant hot water and do away with the tank. However, I've heard that you need planning permission to install a tank and it's often refused. Also, with the boilers being so big they are usually sited outside, I'm not sure whether there would be a space for it. The thing that really surprises me about your post is that any government would give a grant for a diesel system in this day and age, with diesel being considered 'dirty'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 11:34:48 GMT
Installing a fuel tank is considered to be permitted development, not needing planning permission, subject to the following limits and conditions: Not more than 3,500 litres capacity. Not forward of the principal elevation fronting a highway. www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/24/fuel_tanks#:~:text=Installing%20a%20fuel%20tank%20is,principal%20elevation%20fronting%20a%20highway Combi oil boiler is no bigger than a kitchen cupboard BIL has just done this but tank is in his double garage, it needed a flame retardant room built round it.
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Post by thebfg on Jun 21, 2020 13:02:54 GMT
A close inspection of the title plan would be interesting. I wonder if it includes a little tiny bit on the outside or is it just the actual building itself. The double yellows make me think there are some car problems around there so anything propped up against the building might be a bit vulnerable. Probably is a hint of that bit the road is barely wide enough for one car so the DYL seem logical.
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Post by thebfg on Jun 21, 2020 13:08:22 GMT
The first house. Now stop me if I am wrong. Has a separate garden with a former bakery in and a further footpath to a separate garden that has the former village shop on, now converted into accommodation. Has an outside toilet that is in a terrace with 3 other toilets.
Oddly it sounds lovely. What would you do with the former shop. Rental?
Seems the type of place we would like, prefer Scotland though.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 21, 2020 14:37:25 GMT
The first house. Now stop me if I am wrong. Has a separate garden with a former bakery in and a further footpath to a separate garden that has the former village shop on, now converted into accommodation. Has an outside toilet that is in a terrace with 3 other toilets. Oddly it sounds lovely. What would you do with the former shop. Rental? Seems the type of place we would like, prefer Scotland though. It has the outside toilet and just one additional building, it's the small green building in one of the pictures, looks like it's built from corrugated steel. Plan would be to use this to keep my motorbike in, store coal/ logs, all my tools. Also set up a workshop in here. It's possible that a new diesel boiler could be housed in the outside toilet. Probably the biggest issue with this place is that it's on the edge of an area (Fairbourne) which is the first village in the U.K. which will be abandoned because of rising sea levels. No date is given but it's already reduced house prices in Fairbourne by over 50%. It's difficult to see on the map of the area to be abandoned, it looks like it's outside it and the picture from the rear of the property which shows the roofs of the toilet block with land beyond towards the sea does suggest quite a drop at the end of the garden, you can see a structure in the distance that's clearly lower, maybe 10ft or so.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 21, 2020 14:48:11 GMT
Might be difficult to insure then. Best to check that out.
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Post by patty on Jun 21, 2020 19:03:48 GMT
TBH it brings a number of issues with it..... wouldn't rush, more will come up..
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Post by jubjub on Jun 22, 2020 8:13:30 GMT
In a word DONT!!!! We live in a stone cottage in the Brecon hills. It is detached single storey stone building once the blacksmiths to the village and originally dates back over 200 years . It has two foot thick walls, some original without insulation. We originally put in a multi fuel heating system. It lasted two years!We became a slave to it. We burnt wood, coal and brickettes and were always having to source and stack fuel.I was constantly cutting up pallet wood for kindling.We purchased some land from the Church next to us and the deal included them cutting down about 8 dead fir trees which they gave us for fuel.We had to buy a chainsaw, cut them up, carry them to the house, chop them up with an axe and store them. Along with all the pre bought fuel they got used up within 2 years. Don't forget you have to run the stove in summer too. We worked out our fuel bills, less the freebies, was close to Β£1800 a year for a one bedroom cottage.!!! We did some research and Wales, being similar to a third world country, were giving out green grants. We changed to oil at absolutely no cost to us. They even fireboarded the tank outside and the boiler is an external one too. We have two deliveries if oil a year costing approximately Β£800 in total.the house is cleaner the stress is gone.π We did replace the multi fuel stove (sold on Fleabay along with the boiler and tank) with a small Aga stove but it it is mainly for decoration and only gets used in high days and holidays. Ask away if you want more info but I strongly recommend,from personal experience, not to go down that route. Also Wales us very green orientated and are trying to phase out multi fuel systems. My number one choice would be an oil central heating system with instant hot water and do away with the tank. However, I've heard that you need planning permission to install a tank and it's often refused. Also, with the boilers being so big they are usually sited outside, I'm not sure whether there would be a space for it. The thing that really surprises me about your post is that any government would give a grant for a diesel system in this day and age, with diesel being considered 'dirty'.
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Post by jubjub on Jun 22, 2020 8:28:01 GMT
we did not need planning for a tank, it butts up to the cable end and is fire walled, we could have had an internal boiler but opted for external one, as to grants things change and all fossil fuels are considered dirty. My other half said the fuel bills were actually 2.5k p.a.
Seriously think about it, where you going to store all this wood and keep it dry, the footprint of a tank and an external boiler would be by far smaller.
Do not be wooed by thinking you would be an 'off grider' sometimes we only read what we want to; you cannot beat services on tap any boater will tell you that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 9:36:05 GMT
I'd be tempted to fit a standalone reasonably small oil burner in there and keep the fire or put a multifuel in there.
That way you have a low consumption oil heating for the basic requirements but also encouraged to burn wood to provide extra comfort and a more pleasant environment in unpleasant conditions.
That's my approach anyway as a big fan of wood stoves but knowing how much they use it's important to go for practicality as well.
"Wood burner" usually comes up with some pretty wicked items on eBay in amongst the generic junk.
I like the JΓΈtul and Ulefos stoves they look quite sensible if it's just wood and your main heating is oil.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 22, 2020 9:44:17 GMT
Yes an oil boiler is the way to go, I agree. It might not be possible to place an oil tank anywhere though. Round the back is possible but the land is subject to a right of way to access the other 3 outside toilets. Can you partially block a right of way? In practical terms it would be fine, the other house owners could access their toilets (if they ever wanted to!) but the law doesn't always take account of such common sense. Also there would be no access for re fuelling a tank, the only way would be to probably get an extension to the hose for the delivery truck, take it through the house and out of the kitchen window. Not ideal, at best.
So I haven't ruled out solid fuel. I wouldn't dream of using wood though, far too much work, it would be coal, all the way, along with electric radiators in case they're needed, and an immersion heater so the fire wouldn't need to be lit in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 10:01:37 GMT
In our cottage we ripped out the convection heated system that used a Parkray and fitted gas central heating and two Charnwood Country multifuel stoves, 6kw in the kitchen and 4kw in the lounge. The 6kw runs at tickover 24/7 in the winter using Phurnicite and heats most of the house, we light the 4kw and burn wood only in the evenings when it is cold. The upshot is that the central heating rarely comes on so is total overkill.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 10:02:44 GMT
We used to have Pithers stoves my old man was a big fan of them. Nice items running on the small anthracite grains. You get a lovely glow off them and shed loads of heat obviously. Runs for quite a while before refuelling and for a solid fuel heater it was pretty clean actually. Lit with a blow torch. Like this but I think that particular one has been overfired. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pither-Stainless-Steel-Stove-Heater-Coal-Burner-/193461991234That's the exact model we had I remember it clearly and the Tamar blowtorch used to get it going. Quirky enough? He also had one of these Pithers units but it was unused - more of an ornament.
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