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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:45:33 GMT
I reckon breaking up and franchising off sections might work. But that -would- get expensive for boaters. I suppose the question is what would be better 10k boaters paying £3k each or 30k boaters paying £1k each. I think in business terms the smaller number of boats and larger costs make more sense. Business terms yes because they have a captive 'customer' and a much smaller customer base to keep happy.
Still only brings in about the same income though - take away the gov subsidy due to lack of public support and you have a crisis...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:51:21 GMT
I reckon breaking up and franchising off sections might work. But that -would- get expensive for boaters. I suppose the question is what would be better 10k boaters paying £3k each or 30k boaters paying £1k each. I think in business terms the smaller number of boats and larger costs make more sense. Business terms yes because they have a captive 'customer' and a much smaller customer base to keep happy.
Still only brings in about the same income though - take away the gov subsidy due to lack of public support and you have a crisis...
Yes but my figures are assuming that if license fees were increased to £3k from £1k (notional figures) the number of boaters would reduce in proportion. That may well not happen. And if it did is it not quite likely that hiring boats would become more common and this would feed money into the system? It's got to be a slightly ridiculous situation where you get a world class capital city but you can't hire a boat for an overnight stay because the moorings are all squatted. Ok this is a London comment but it's certainly not the only part of the system that is clogged up with people who are only there because it is so cheap. It's not complicated really. Also if the second hand boat market got a hit and let's say a £40k boat became a £30k boat then you've already saved 5 years of the £2k increase due to the fact the boat was cheaper to buy.
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Post by kris on Jul 9, 2020 16:53:18 GMT
Back to the s word i see Andrew.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:54:36 GMT
Back to the s word i see Andrew. Sorry kris that's gone over my head.
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Post by kris on Jul 9, 2020 16:55:41 GMT
Squatters, there that will put fear into the ordinary folk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:57:03 GMT
Why does the whole UK constantly have to adapt to changes imposed because of London issues ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:57:30 GMT
Oh yes, those ones. How to get a nice lifestyle made illegal.
My mother said. I never should. Play with the gypsies in the wood.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:00:41 GMT
Why does the whole UK constantly have to adapt to changes imposed because of London issues ? Rog I blame Guy Fawkes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:01:35 GMT
I reckon breaking up and franchising off sections might work. Very 90's thinking, and proven not to be a good practice. However, Parry has beaten you to it. Hence the new "regions", which are in fact satellite businesses with their own budgets run by regional managers. The results of this so far have been unsuccessful, and merely produced little idiots trying to operate above their pay grades spouting pr bollocks and little else. The next two years will show just how useless Parry has been, and leaving the trustees looking for a new ceo.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 9, 2020 17:07:17 GMT
Why does the whole UK constantly have to adapt to changes imposed because of London issues ? Rog I blame Guy Fawkes. Only his lack of success, . . . I hope ! As one of the relatively few ever to enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions, he really deserved to fare considerably better !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:10:26 GMT
Only his lack of success, . . . I hope ! As one of the relatively few ever to enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions, he really deserved to fare considerably better ! Yes it was the incompetence I was referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:13:41 GMT
I reckon breaking up and franchising off sections might work. Very 90's thinking, and proven not to be a good practice. However, Parry has beaten you to it. Hence the new "regions", which are in fact satellite businesses with their own budgets run by regional managers. The results of this so far have been unsuccessful, and merely produced little idiots trying to operate above their pay grades spouting pr bollocks and little else. The next two years will show just how useless Parry has been, and leaving the trustees looking for a new ceo. There's nothing quite like deliberately running something down as a way to force changes. I didn't mean regional management of a central authority I meant franchising different sections of the system to new operators. People like marina owners for example. I don't want that to happen. They already bleed the system for enough money as it is. People moor boats in marinas and pay ££££ per year to the marina owners who get a healthy profit. None of this would be possible without a functioning network. The navigation authority should get all the money people are willing to pay out to have and use a boat. Why don't CRT sell diesel for example. (Giggle)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:27:54 GMT
Why does the whole UK constantly have to adapt to changes imposed because of London issues ? Rog There is an opposing argument as to why should London money subsidise other areas. Not something I agree with but if that thought process was followed through it would have a detrimental affect on funding of the canals outside London. Maybe a compromise is needed, congestion charge maybe...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:31:22 GMT
Why does the whole UK constantly have to adapt to changes imposed because of London issues ? Rog There is an opposing argument as to why should London money subsidise other areas. Not something I agree with but if that thought process was followed through it would have a detrimental affect on funding of the canals outside London. Maybe a compromise is needed, congestion charge maybe... I read that as "Congleton charge" for some unknown reason.. Maybe the Fradley charge would be a better description. It's funny because the regents section of the grand Union through London is probably one of the least congested canals in the whole country in terms of lock use. Because nobody moves a boat unless their 2 weeks is up and often then it is grudgingly.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 9, 2020 17:59:53 GMT
Business terms yes because they have a captive 'customer' and a much smaller customer base to keep happy. Still only brings in about the same income though - take away the gov subsidy due to lack of public support and you have a crisis...
Yes but my figures are assuming that if license fees were increased to £3k from £1k (notional figures) the number of boaters would reduce in proportion. That may well not happen. And if it did is it not quite likely that hiring boats would become more common and this would feed money into the system? It's got to be a slightly ridiculous situation where you get a world class capital city but you can't hire a boat for an overnight stay because the moorings are all squatted. Ok this is a London comment but it's certainly not the only part of the system that is clogged up with people who are only there because it is so cheap. It's not complicated really. Also if the second hand boat market got a hit and let's say a £40k boat became a £30k boat then you've already saved 5 years of the £2k increase due to the fact the boat was cheaper to buy. Your numbers dont work, the loss of revenue from all other sources would be cut by a third as well so the license fee would be much greater along with moorings! So maybe your moorings would triple as well? Anyway this about you wanting to be forced off its about would you pay more but not really get anymore as others have pointed out?
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