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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 7, 2021 21:20:59 GMT
It is worth pointing out that your boat had an electrical system installed. and you know that from where ? he could simply have a 4 way plugboard on an extension lead which is not an installation Or maybe a 12v electrical installation. I don't see anywhere on the form where voltage is specified?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 7, 2021 21:26:11 GMT
and you know that from where ? he could simply have a 4 way plugboard on an extension lead which is not an installation Or maybe a 12v electrical installation. I don't see anywhere on the form where voltage is specified? again though, you actually know this ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:30:06 GMT
However even Tony had the good grace to admit that the argument was simply a pose to precipitate the event he desired.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 7, 2021 21:30:31 GMT
It is worth pointing out that your boat had an electrical system installed. and you know that from where ? he could simply have a 4 way plugboard on an extension lead which is not an installation That's right, John, . . the only functioning appliances on board "Halcyon Daze" when C&RT refused to issue the registration certificate [PBC], apart from the solid fuel stove, were a microwave oven, an electric toaster, a kettle, and a TV and digital recorder box, . . all running off an extension lead from 230V shore power.
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Post by Gone on Feb 7, 2021 21:34:50 GMT
and you know that from where ? he could simply have a 4 way plugboard on an extension lead which is not an installation That's right, John, . . the only functioning appliances on board "Halcyon Daze" when C&RT refused to issue the registration certificate [PBC], apart from the solid fuel stove, were a microwave oven, an electric toaster, a kettle, and a TV and digital recorder box, . . all running off an extension lead from 230V shore power. Sounds like an electrical installation to me, all be it a temporary installation, but an installation none the less.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 7, 2021 21:39:23 GMT
That's right, John, . . the only functioning appliances on board "Halcyon Daze" when C&RT refused to issue the registration certificate [PBC], apart from the solid fuel stove, were a microwave oven, an electric toaster, a kettle, and a TV and digital recorder box, . . all running off an extension lead from 230V shore power. Sounds like an electrical installation to me, all be it a temporary installation, but an installation none the less. Yeah. I think that will be another point for a judge to decide on. I'm guessing CRT think it's an installation too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:42:55 GMT
and you know that from where ? he could simply have a 4 way plugboard on an extension lead which is not an installation That's right, John, . . the only functioning appliances on board "Halcyon Daze" when C&RT refused to issue the registration certificate [PBC], apart from the solid fuel stove, were a microwave oven, an electric toaster, a kettle, and a TV and digital recorder box, . . all running off an extension lead from 230V shore power. But did you have a TV licence (or registration as appropriate)?
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Post by Gone on Feb 7, 2021 21:44:16 GMT
Sounds like an electrical installation to me, all be it a temporary installation, but an installation none the less. Yeah. I think that will be another point for a judge to decide on. I'm guessing CRT think it's an installation too. If living on a boat with a shore power supply powering lights, cooking appliances etc, I think it will be difficult to convince a judge that it does not constitute an electrical installation, the fact it is a temp lash up that does not comply with the BSS requirements does not mean it is not an installation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:48:26 GMT
That's right, John, . . the only functioning appliances on board "Halcyon Daze" when C&RT refused to issue the registration certificate [PBC], apart from the solid fuel stove, were a microwave oven, an electric toaster, a kettle, and a TV and digital recorder box, . . all running off an extension lead from 230V shore power. Sounds like an electrical installation to me, all be it a temporary installation, but an installation none the less. If it’s not fixed, it’s not installed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:50:19 GMT
Yeah. I think that will be another point for a judge to decide on. I'm guessing CRT think it's an installation too. If living on a boat with a shore power supply powering lights, cooking appliances etc, I think it will be difficult to convince a judge that it does not constitute an electrical installation, the fact it is a temp lash up that does not comply with the BSS requirements does not mean it is not an installation. There you go again, if it was nothing more than an extension lead, it’s not an installation.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 7, 2021 21:54:21 GMT
I would certainly say that a 13A extension lead through the window with some stuff running off it inside the boat, in no way could be considered to be an “installation”.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 7, 2021 21:54:39 GMT
That's right, John, . . the only functioning appliances on board "Halcyon Daze" when C&RT refused to issue the registration certificate [PBC], apart from the solid fuel stove, were a microwave oven, an electric toaster, a kettle, and a TV and digital recorder box, . . all running off an extension lead from 230V shore power. Sounds like an electrical installation to me, all be it a temporary installation, but an installation none the less. Under elecrical installation rules if it is not fixed and it is on a plug, it is a portable appliance, it might be then subject to portable appliance testing requirements but only if in a commercial environment or in a rented property
and just for your further ediification ....... a waste compactor weighing several tons and needing a crane to move, if it is plugged in on a 13A socket is ..... ridiculous as it might seem .... a portable appliance. conversly a domestic hairdryer if it is wired into a switched spur as opposed to a plug and socket is ..... an installation
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 7, 2021 21:59:35 GMT
To save cluttering the thread up with any more pointless, and irrelevant, supposition regarding the 230V shore supply to "Halcyon Daze", it's worth noting that C&RT's refusal to accept THEIR OWN current published exemption criteria for issuing the PBC ordered by the Court was based solely on the presence of the solid fuel stove , and NOTHING ELSE ! All a matter of record, . . and every word of in writing !
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Post by Gone on Feb 7, 2021 22:01:46 GMT
If living on a boat with a shore power supply powering lights, cooking appliances etc, I think it will be difficult to convince a judge that it does not constitute an electrical installation, the fact it is a temp lash up that does not comply with the BSS requirements does not mean it is not an installation. There you go again, if it was nothing more than an extension lead, it’s not an installation. OED defines installation as “Place or fix (equipment or machinery) in position ready for use”. Still sounds like an installation to me as the lights, microwave etc were all working. But it doesn’t really matter what I think, it’s what the judge thinks that matters. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 22:05:44 GMT
There you go again, if it was nothing more than an extension lead, it’s not an installation. OED defines installation as “Place or fix (equipment or machinery) in position ready for use”. Still sounds like an installation to me as the lights, microwave etc were all working. But it doesn’t really matter what I think, it’s what the judge thinks that matters. Time will tell. Stop being so fuckin stupid.
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