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Post by JohnV on Oct 25, 2020 17:21:05 GMT
what should be and what is ....... are frequently different
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Post by Gone on Oct 25, 2020 17:31:47 GMT
I have owned 4 houses over 40 years and none of them had cables under the ground floor (apart from the incoming supply in the corner). All had cables lying in the ceiling space above the ground floor with upstairs light cables in the loft. So for downstairs sockets the cables drop reasonably vertically from the ceiling above. yes but this one is in wales? Maybe still has gas lights and no sockets??
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 25, 2020 18:01:33 GMT
Our house has a lot of cabling under the ground floor (Scottish Victorian Granite 1880s terrace)
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Post by Jim on Oct 25, 2020 18:05:36 GMT
yes but this one is in wales? Maybe still has gas lights and no sockets?? I have a pair of brass gas lights from a house in Milnrow that was only upgraded in the mid 60s. On the same row where my Grandma and Grandad lived, Auntie Winnie was a true spinster, her fiance died in the first world War. She cooked on the coal fired Yorkshire range, with hot water tank one side, oven the other, swinging pan trivets went over the fire. Stone sink with one cold tap in the kitchen. She used to give me and brother ginger wine. She worked at home as a seamstress and dressmaker. I ended up inheriting some of the stuff, buttons, braid, all sorts, still around and used.
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Post by Jim on Oct 25, 2020 18:07:01 GMT
Our house has a lot of cabling under the ground floor (Scottish Victorian Granite 1880s terrace) Must have a void under the floor then. To fill up with radon from the granite.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 25, 2020 18:10:22 GMT
Our house has a lot of cabling under the ground floor (Scottish Victorian Granite 1880s terrace) Must have a void under the floor then. To fill up with radon from the granite. Yes the ground floor is suspended, about 2 or 3 feet above the ground - well, enough to crawl through anyway. Don’t most older houses have suspended floors? Aberdeen, despite being the “granite city” isn’t in an area of high radon gas. Anyway, that underfloor space is well ventilated so hopefully most of it blows away!
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Post by bodger on Oct 25, 2020 19:17:45 GMT
racist !!!
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Post by IainS on Oct 25, 2020 21:19:59 GMT
I have owned 4 houses over 40 years and none of them had cables under the ground floor (apart from the incoming supply in the corner). All had cables lying in the ceiling space above the ground floor with upstairs light cables in the loft. So for downstairs sockets the cables drop reasonably vertically from the ceiling above. In contrast, our last house certainly had cables under the floor, although possibly as a result of re-wiring. (When the 80mA RCD was replaced with a 30mA one, it took me a while to find the choc block connector lying on the solum which was causing the nuisance trips ) Our current house also has extensive electrical distribution below floor level, all in conduit and firmly attached to the joists. All the downstairs sockets are fed from below. The downstairs lighting circuits are loop in at ceiling level, with the switches fed from above.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 25, 2020 22:28:49 GMT
It makes perfect sense to me to run wires under the floor, where possible. Saves on chasing out plaster. Mind you, with sockets having to be higher up these days (in case of a flood?) the difference is probably marginal.
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Post by Gone on Oct 25, 2020 23:00:01 GMT
It makes perfect sense to me to run wires under the floor, where possible. Saves on chasing out plaster. Mind you, with sockets having to be higher up these days (in case of a flood?) the difference is probably marginal. Higher up for wheelchair users, but also useful in floods.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 25, 2020 23:29:45 GMT
It makes perfect sense to me to run wires under the floor, where possible. Saves on chasing out plaster. Mind you, with sockets having to be higher up these days (in case of a flood?) the difference is probably marginal. Higher up for wheelchair users, but also useful in floods. Is that right, best practice for everyone changed for the benefit of wheelchair users??
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Post by Gone on Oct 25, 2020 23:41:08 GMT
Higher up for wheelchair users, but also useful in floods. Is that right, best practice for everyone changed for the benefit of wheelchair users?? I seem to remember that light switches are a bit lower and sockets a bit higher because of disability discrimination. Likewise elevators now have a set of low level floor buttons as well as the normal, high up set. Doesn’t really inconvenience the majority, so why not?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 26, 2020 0:00:29 GMT
Is that right, best practice for everyone changed for the benefit of wheelchair users?? I seem to remember that light switches are a bit lower and sockets a bit higher because of disability discrimination. Likewise elevators now have a set of low level floor buttons as well as the normal, high up set. Doesn’t really inconvenience the majority, so why not? I dunno. I guess sockets placed high up on the wall look pig ugly but to be fair, that in itself isn't a good reason not to do it. Having to chase 2 foot up a wall in 20 million homes when the chances of anyone in a wheelchair buying your house is virtually doesn't seem to make great sense though. Might be better to do more specific, better, wheelchair friendly adjustments in places where wheelchair users are likely to live, rather than taking this broad brush approach.
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Post by patty on Oct 26, 2020 6:48:54 GMT
It makes perfect sense to me to run wires under the floor, where possible. Saves on chasing out plaster. Mind you, with sockets having to be higher up these days (in case of a flood?) the difference is probably marginal. Higher up for wheelchair users, but also useful in floods. I read somewhere that houses in flood planes had sockets and wiring higher up because of flood risk.. To me makes sense. I lived in a house that flooded downstairs..right pain it was though fortunately not a lot of wiring at ground level....Mind u our flood due to washing machine that was situated in the Utility which was at higher level than the rest of the ground floor....so much water..found my dog hiding behind a door curtain at the farthest point from the machine.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 26, 2020 6:54:15 GMT
I seem to remember that light switches are a bit lower and sockets a bit higher because of disability discrimination. Likewise elevators now have a set of low level floor buttons as well as the normal, high up set. Doesn’t really inconvenience the majority, so why not? I dunno. I guess sockets placed high up on the wall look pig ugly but to be fair, that in itself isn't a good reason not to do it. Having to chase 2 foot up a wall in 20 million homes when the chances of anyone in a wheelchair buying your house is virtually doesn't seem to make great sense though. Might be better to do more specific, better, wheelchair friendly adjustments in places where wheelchair users are likely to live, rather than taking this broad brush approach. sensible it might be ...... but you can't do that ....... a definite no no ...... it would be a definite "ist"
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