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Post by Bad-Bitch on Oct 27, 2016 13:27:07 GMT
It is amazing that Barry can dismiss all those on TB as liars. I've always struggled to like him, I guess I don't have to bother any more.
To be fair, he makes a fair point.
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
That isn't to say that everybody who has come over is telling lies, but it is probably fair to say that in some cases the story has been polished to suit the teller.
And at the risk of getting off to a bad start here, that kind of "playing the man" is just what posters in an unmoderated forum should be trying to self-police.
yes but to be fair nick was only questioning the actions of the mods and telling them where he thought they had gone wrong, also giving them pointers on how to put it right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 13:34:21 GMT
It is amazing that Barry can dismiss all those on TB as liars. I've always struggled to like him, I guess I don't have to bother any more.
To be fair, he makes a fair point.
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
That isn't to say that everybody who has come over is telling lies, but it is probably fair to say that in some cases the story has been polished to suit the teller.
And at the risk of getting off to a bad start here, that kind of "playing the man" is just what posters in an unmoderated forum should be trying to self-police.
CRT defend themselves very well, the issue is you don't see it, because you tend to base your assumptions on what you see on social media. As to those on here whom you feel have "polished" their input to the whole debacle, I suspect some, (myself included) have held back on things that really could do damage to dan and his mods. I do so because it gives me an air of decency, over Dan's diabolical behaviour. May I also point out, that some of us I notice, have changed our posting style, to fit the non moderated system here. It works, and I recommend you take similar steps. Welcome to the forum by the way, even though I do not like you at all, I am still pleased that you have "anointed" us with your presence. π
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Post by PaulG2 on Oct 27, 2016 13:39:53 GMT
CWDF isn't that, but I'm afraid this place isn't either. You've nailed kicking out the headmaster, well done! However, in its place is something totally anarchic, where there is a lack of self control and no community consensus built up to say that just because we CAN say certain things without the moderators telling us off, it doesn't mean we SHOULD.
Dave
Hello Dave. First of all, welcome to the forum. I think you will like it here. Who knows, with the freedom to express yourself any way you want, you may even get less verbose and get to your friggin points more quickly. As far as the conduct on this forum is concerned, it was rough and tumble at the start, but it evolved quickly and is now much more civilized than you seem to think. Anyway, again, welcome to the forum! It is amazing that Barry can dismiss all those on TB as liars. I've always struggled to like him, I guess I don't have to bother any more.
To be fair, he makes a fair point.
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
That isn't to say that everybody who has come over is telling lies, but it is probably fair to say that in some cases the story has been polished to suit the teller.
And at the risk of getting off to a bad start here, that kind of "playing the man" is just what posters in an unmoderated forum should be trying to self-police.
To be fair, Dan has said he has an account here at Thunderboat, so he certainly has the ability to defend himself here if that's what he chose to do. (I realize the absurdity of him posting here, but that doesn't change the fact that he could if he wanted.)
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Post by Saltysplash on Oct 27, 2016 13:58:15 GMT
Agree, He visits to check out the gossip, so is more than welcome to defend himself, something the Banished are not able to do on CW
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2016 14:27:47 GMT
It is amazing that Barry can dismiss all those on TB as liars. I've always struggled to like him, I guess I don't have to bother any more.
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
How do you work that one out ? He's a member of this Forum and at liberty to defend himself and express an opinion in precisely the same way as any other member. If he is in fact constrained, to any greater degree than any other invertebrate, then it can only be by a marked inability to recognize the values of truthfulness and realism.
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Post by tex on Oct 27, 2016 14:36:01 GMT
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
How do you work that one out ? He's a member of this Forum and at liberty to defend himself and express an opinion in precisely the same way as any other member. If he is in fact constrained, to any greater degree than any other invertebrate, then it can only be by a marked inability to recognize the values of truthfulness and realism. Coming on here would be like going into the Lions Den......See what I did there!
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Post by mayalld on Oct 27, 2016 14:47:27 GMT
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
How do you work that one out ? He's a member of this Forum and at liberty to defend himself and express an opinion in precisely the same way as any other member. If he is in fact constrained, to any greater degree than any other invertebrate, then it can only be by a marked inability to recognize the values of truthfulness and realism.
Like it or not, he is constrained by what it is right and proper to do.
Its the self-moderation that I was talking of.
I wouldn't deny that he lacks a realistic view of the current situation, but I have to accept that he cannot with integrity make public information that people had a reasonable expectation would remain private.
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Post by PaulG2 on Oct 27, 2016 14:50:45 GMT
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
How do you work that one out ? He's a member of this Forum and at liberty to defend himself and express an opinion in precisely the same way as any other member. If he is in fact constrained, to any greater degree than any other invertebrate, then it can only be by a marked inability to recognize the values of truthfulness and realism. As in spineless? I doubt that Daniel Hutchinson is man enough to confront his detractors on an open forum where he can neither censor their speech, nor silence them entirely whenever it suits him.
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Post by kris on Oct 27, 2016 15:05:50 GMT
How do you work that one out ? Β He's a member of this Forum and at liberty to defend himself and express an opinion in precisely the same way as any other member. If he is in fact constrained, to any greater degree than any other invertebrate, then it can only be by a marked inability to recognize the values of truthfulness and realism. Β As in spineless? I doubt that Daniel Hutchinson is man enough to confront his detractors on an open forum where he can neither censor their speech, nor silence them entirely whenever it suits him. theres a lot of people on cwdf that haven't got the balks to post on here, they like hiding behind the mods skirts too much. But hey ho, leave them to dans play pen.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 27, 2016 15:15:00 GMT
Yes, but the database gets older and older and mostly obsolete. Times change, we need new info daily. If Thunderboat does indeed take an interest in engines, electrics, coal/fuel/gas boats and waterways related stuff then people will click on Thunderboat first. On the other hand, is that is what is wanted, to turn this place from an amiable virtual pub into The Number One Canals/Waterways site? It will grow into a monster - and Nick can tell you what happens to monsters!
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 27, 2016 15:16:30 GMT
(I shall remove it if asked - just a little joke) (Now removed, as I seriously don't want to annoy the chap who runs that site.)
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Post by Gone on Oct 27, 2016 15:23:57 GMT
Just as when people slag of CRT, CRT can't actually defend themselves, people can come here and slag Dan off, and he is constrained.
How do you work that one out ? He's a member of this Forum and at liberty to defend himself and express an opinion in precisely the same way as any other member. If he is in fact constrained, to any greater degree than any other invertebrate, then it can only be by a marked inability to recognize the values of truthfulness and realism. Dan is between a rock and a hard place if he posts on here - though mainly of his own making. He can hardly come on here and robustly defend his views and actions without contravening his own site rules. So that sort of posting behaviour is ok or it isn't, if it is ok then he will be unable to justify banning certain people.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 27, 2016 15:24:13 GMT
Hello, mayalld - welcome to Thunderboat. Though it is not really for me to say, as I'm just a member. Nobody here has ever seriously been harrassed. There are some silly comments here and there, but you can just sweep past them. The people on Canalworld who refer this site as "the dark side" are those who think the Earth is flat. I can't think of anybody on here who I consider to be unpleasant.
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Post by Bad-Bitch on Oct 27, 2016 15:35:13 GMT
i see ROBOMOD is back and is monitoring the VP
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 27, 2016 15:37:31 GMT
Welcome Dave! I think this forum is moving towards your ideal. When I looked at it (briefly!) shortly after it had been set up, I thought FFS, and was pleasantly surprised to see how it has developed. Some of us have put in a lot of effort. In between laughing uncontrollably! Keep an eye out for my post tomorrow (and the second on Sat, and the third on Sun).
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