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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 8:42:57 GMT
Unbelievable isn't it. I have got to the point where I solemnly believe there are several on there that are escapees. From reality ? From a protected area I think. It strikes me that some on there feel they need protection from the elements of real life, and some of the mods feel it's their duty to provide that. The fluffy bunnies are ensconced in their little boxes, and are terrified of anything that intrudes. We've seen Ray t and Alan flinched in the past make posts, asking the mods to then lock the thread they've started to stop anyone replying. This is odd, and I feel this sort of behaviour shows ultimately, their lack of knowledge on how social media works.
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Post by bettina on Oct 13, 2016 9:31:57 GMT
How's this for unbelievable...
Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one.
The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again
Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's
Anyone else have any experience's similar?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 13, 2016 9:47:08 GMT
I think it's probably dawned on dan that the forum is in a bit of shite. What's concerning, is the fact he does not know how to deal with it. OK, he's dumped what he thought were "trouble makers" (after he was swayed by the fluffy bunnies), but he didn't realise that what some call trouble makers, we're actually bringing in the attraction. People like to see blood, even though they publicly deny it. "Trending" and "Viral" has the same ingredients, argument, swearing and a good old scrap. It's time he handed the forum to someone else. He can add prize-winning hypocrite and liar to all his other attributes. He, and the Mods, kept the thread and the new 'openness' carefully away from the subject of the two threads locked on C&RT's say so, which was what actually started the whole shemozzle, . . . . and almost everybody fell for it ! Early evening, a member called 'Geo' put up a longish, accurate and truthful post about all the guff and half-arsed reasons they had given for locking the 'Canning Dock' and the 'Boater sues C&RT' threads and it only stayed up for a few minutes before it was wiped off completely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 9:47:19 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one. The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? I'm not sure of the legality of PM's not being private. At the very least they should warn members in the T&C's if any of management team intend to read them. Looks like another worrying development along with the lack of financial accountability.
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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 9:53:30 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one. The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? Now you post on here Betty your one of the "bad ones" they would be worried that you might post the pm's on here. Remember some of the mods read this forum, some people have been moderated over there for what they have written here ( obviously that's not the reason given.) welcome to being a "pirate" in the world of online canal forums.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 13, 2016 9:55:27 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one. The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? I'm not sure of the legality of PM's not being private. At the very least they should warn members in the T&C's if any of management team intend to read them. Looks like another worrying development along with the lack of financial accountability. I believe your suspicions of financial impropriety are probably incorrect due to the probity of person who has responsibility for the accounts. However as regards the PM's there is evidence appearing that they are being tampered with in some way. I am afraid Dan and his CV have caused major damage to a forum for which I was a very strong supporter
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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 10:01:58 GMT
I think it's probably dawned on dan that the forum is in a bit of shite. What's concerning, is the fact he does not know how to deal with it. OK, he's dumped what he thought were "trouble makers" (after he was swayed by the fluffy bunnies), but he didn't realise that what some call trouble makers, we're actually bringing in the attraction. People like to see blood, even though they publicly deny it. "Trending" and "Viral" has the same ingredients, argument, swearing and a good old scrap. It's time he handed the forum to someone else. He can add prize-winning hypocrite and liar to all his other attributes. He, and the Mods, kept the thread and the new 'openness' carefully away from the subject of the two threads locked on C&RT's say so, which was what actually started the whole shemozzle, . . . . and almost everybody fell for it ! Early evening, a member called 'Geo' put up a longish, accurate and truthful post about all the guff and half-arsed reasons they had given for locking the 'Canning Dock' and the 'Boater sues C&RT' threads and it only stayed up for a few minutes before it was wiped off completely. Exactly Tony, they are very good at deflecting attention from the real issue.. Which is that they are allowing cwdf to be censored by crt/shoesmiths. Why else would the long running Leigh ravenscroft thread be locked? By denighing yourself and Nigel a platform to discuss these issues, they have become the instrument of crt/shoosmiths dirty tactics brigade.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 13, 2016 10:02:27 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... . . . . . Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? They claim they don't snoop into PM's, but I was consigned to oblivion, along with 'Gaggle' whilst exchanging PM's in which Dan and the Mods were referred to as 'prats', only a short time after the following message exchange with Despicable Dan himself :~ Tony Dunkley, on 05 Oct 2016 - 11:03 AM, said: From where I'm standing, the "ethos of the Site" appears to amount to assisting C&RT in suppressing exposure of their wrongdoings and dishonesty. __________________________________________________________ Tony, I am going to stop you right there, because I don't think the above comment is at all fair to myself or the site staff, we work hard to act as fairly as we can, and to ensure the site is run in a sustainable and ethical fashion. We are independent of canal and waterways organisations. As a significant online forum site, we have a duty to ensure that individuals, businesses and organisations are not unfairly represented in the public domain, which we must balance with our desire to offer an open platform for discussion which as I am sure you will appreciate is not always an easy balance to take. However when we are working hard to allow you and others to discuss this issue, suggesting that we are acting to assist one side rather than the other is inappropriate, unfair, and if I am honest down right rude to a point where it is not acceptable. Daniel Site Owner __________________________________________________________ If you are as independent and fair as you claim, then why are you actively trying to prevent highly suspect, embarrassing and damaging C&RT generated paperwork from being published, not only with the approval of, but at the express request of the recipient, whose contact details you have been supplied with, but have declined to contact ? The content and tone of your message is reminiscent of the sort of response one would normally expect to see from a self-indulgent organization run by small minded, petulant and vindictive people who, believing themselves to be beyond reproach, invariably overreact to criticism. Is CWDF such an organization, and has it not occurred to you and your so-called Moderators to consider the possibilty that you could be well advised to stop addressing and treating members as if they were dealing with a lot of ill-behaved school children. ? Tony Dunkley. __________________________________________________________
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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2016 10:04:48 GMT
I'm not sure of the legality of PM's not being private. At the very least they should warn members in the T&C's if any of management team intend to read them. Looks like another worrying development along with the lack of financial accountability. I believe your suspicions of financial impropriety are probably incorrect due to the probity of person who has responsibility for the accounts. However as regards the PM's there is evidence appearing that they are being tampered with in some way. I am afraid Dan and his CV have caused major damage to a forum for which I was a very strong supporter I don't believe it's a matter of impropriety over the finances John, just lack of transparency.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 13, 2016 10:15:18 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one. The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? I am afraid Betty you are now beginning to see some of the "dark side" of CWDF. Incidentally when I was banished (No previous warnings in all the years a member) I received an Email to say I was permanently banished for arguing against a moderator and if I wanted to see full details of the decision I should log on etc..... Very clever, as by instantly banning me and deleting my profile they had also stopped me from logging on and reading (and therefore being able to argue against the case they were making) True Politburo style
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 10:21:30 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one. The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? They do have access to pm's.
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Post by Bad-Bitch on Oct 13, 2016 15:42:37 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one. The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? Although the message has been deleted from the mods inbox you should still be able to open/read it from your inbox, just click on the message.
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Post by Bad-Bitch on Oct 13, 2016 15:44:03 GMT
How's this for unbelievable... Logged in late last night to check my PM's and noticed that 3 of them had been removed/deleted. 2 from Wigglefinger; first one saying she would do everything in her power to ensure I wasn't sanctioned even though I had broken the rules & some other dribble that had to tone of speaking to a wee naughty child, which I responded to quite firmly and then her reply apologizing for the way she had written the first one. The 3rd PM was another one from a different MOD also apologizing, this time for no one getting back to me regarding when we would hear/be told what the outcome would be of the locked threads and if they were locked forever or would be unlocked again Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar? They do have access to pm's. Wrong, the mod's DO NOT have access to PM's although Admins may have access.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 16:05:02 GMT
They do have access to pm's. Wrong, the mod's DO NOT have access to PM's although Admins may have access. I didn't specifically mention mods. I generalised as in cwdf.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 17:07:21 GMT
"Anyway, all 3 have vanished from my inbox now...how strange. Pretty sure I read somewhere that MOD's didn't have access to folks PM's Anyone else have any experience's similar?" Yes - me. Some of the mods PMs to each other dropped into my postbox so I could see how they were thinking of giving me warnings. Also, I noticed that mods had visited my profile, but later their names of who had visited disappeared. All a bit creepy. The fact is, that Wriggly, Cassy and Baggy have destroyed a good discussion forum, creatures that had hardly contributed to it in the first place, and they seem to have placed Dan under a spell. Now, the question is, if there were to be an amnesty and the Three Schoolteachers apologise to all and then be forced to step down as mods, and all 'the naughty boys' could go back unconditionally to Canalworld - who would go back? Perhaps we all would like to. But I think Thunderboat now has a good, unshakeable core of intelligent, witty and human members who should trundle on and make this site better and better. As I have said, mechanical, electrical and stoppages sections are required in the interests of Boating - especially stoppages, those affect us all on the waterways. I have started more topics on here since joining in April than I have over there. I've stated 5 topics on there from February to June. I don't mind chipping in to the areas of discussion I know well, particularly boating in East Anglia and matters of a mechanical nature - although I can't be arsed to educate the hobby welder's on there anymore. Sticking my oar in to general debate about the forum seems right after 8 years and 3800 posts, up till Matty's post you may as well have talked to the wall. I don't think I will change my habit's on there even if things go some way back to how they were before the outraged of Tunbridge Wells lot got the deciding say. Like you I would like to see a bit more variety of sub forums, we are well past the stage where the only reason for this place was to discuss the wrongs of canalworld - although that shouldn't stop - I have a suspicion there is too much face to be lost and too much backpedaling to get back to how things once were on there. So after all that rambling, perhaps a bit of a brainstorming session on what sub forums need adding wouldn't go amiss.
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