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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 10:09:47 GMT
The best I could find from Google was from their About Us page.
"We love and care for your canals and rivers, because everyone deserves a place to escape."
"The Canal & River Trust is here so you have a place to escape. A place where you can step off the pavement, onto the towpath and breathe."
Slightly worrying there ia no mention of boats!
Picking up on some recent poats, maybe CRT aren't using all their powers because that would detract from the idea of escape and freedom.
Isn't the real issue here to find a way to share the waterways fairly and ensure it is maintained?
I think CRT have struggled with both. If CRT saw boaters as an asset instead of a headache and let us help, I'm sure things would improve. That also works in reverse!
As I've said before, the canals were renovated by enthusiastic volunteers. No reason they can't be managed and maintained by enthusiastic volunteers, or at least partially.
I'm not sure if there are any organisations out there with that mission though. Maybe we should start one. Maybe call it the Canal and Rivers Trust.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 12:55:53 GMT
What's the IWA for, then? We joined them 2.5 years ago assuming they were for boaters and upholding the water gypsy way of life. Are they angels or a bunch of wrong-uns? I don't know, probably a mixture of both like all organisations.
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Post by Jim on Oct 15, 2016 17:03:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 18:57:55 GMT
It was more of an observation really. I do wonder sometimes what those driving CRT REALLY want to achieve though.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 15, 2016 20:22:35 GMT
What's the IWA for, then? We joined them 2.5 years ago assuming they were for boaters and upholding the water gypsy way of life. Are they angels or a bunch of wrong-uns? The IWA started out as just the sort of organisation that is needed today - they organised and educated themselves, organised rallies and publicised them to educate the wider public, fearlessly promoted their cause in Parliament, and got down and dirty digging out and restoring canals, even though at times that meant going nose to nose with officious BW staff accompanied by lawyers and police, who attempted to force them to abandon restoration work. It was not so long ago really, but that all now seems to belong to a positively Arthurian era, lost in the mists of dubious antiquity. From my perspective, they have all too swiftly degenerated into staunch defendants of whoever is in authority, even to the alarming extent of actively promoting extension of CaRT’s authority to the EA rivers. That last alone, makes them dangerously irresponsible from my perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 20:28:39 GMT
What's the IWA for, then? We joined them 2.5 years ago assuming they were for boaters and upholding the water gypsy way of life. Are they angels or a bunch of wrong-uns? The IWA started out as just the sort of organisation that is needed today - they organised and educated themselves, organised rallies and publicised them to educate the wider public, fearlessly promoted their cause in Parliament, and got down and dirty digging out and restoring canals, even though at times that meant going nose to nose with officious BW staff accompanied by lawyers and police, who attempted to force them to abandon restoration work. It was not that long ago really, but it now that all seems to belong to a positively Arthurian era, lost in the mists of dubious antiquity. From my perspective, they have all too swiftly degenerated into staunch defendants of whoever is in authority, even to the alarming extent of actively promoting extension of CaRT’s authority to the EA rivers. That last alone, makes them dangerously irresponsible from my perspective. The last part of your post is spot on. IF c&rt are handed the reins for EA waterways I shall build a trailer and pull our boat out from early autumn to late spring. It will be utterly pointless leaving it on the water during the rainy season.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 15, 2016 22:34:34 GMT
IF c&rt are handed the reins for EA waterways I shall build a trailer and pull our boat out from early autumn to late spring. It will be utterly pointless leaving it on the water during the rainy season. I ‘can relate’ to the sentiment, but for the little it is worth, CaRT would be bound by the relevant legislation affecting the particular EA waterway. CaRT specific legislation will not apply, even if they take over navigation control. I say “for the little it is worth”, because they DO seek to apply their legislation to newly acquired rivers regardless of law. BW inconsistently applied the 1971 Act to the River Brent element of the Grand Union Canal, even though it had no application whatsoever, and there is current dispute over s.8 threats to boaters on the Yorkshire Ouse. That river was transferred from York City Council to British Waterways in 1989/90. No part of it, however, was added to the list of scheduled river waterways, even though the next Act added on the southern part of the Weaver to those. The pleasure boat regulations of the 1971 Act do not, therefore, apply, and yet quite a few boats on that public navigable river were threatened earlier this year for not having an up-to-date pleasure boat certificate. It is going to be an interesting next battle over that. For now, I have advised the protagonists to pay under protest until the Ravenscroft/Dunkley cases are concluded, whereupon should they wish to claim a refund on past fees as the river Brent boaters did, then they could so, and/or run their own challenge should CaRT not prove amenable. CaRT need to be made aware that any transfer to them of any more rivers from the EA, will bind them to the specific relevant legislation, and that any and all attempts to continue their current "mission" of demanding tolls to keep boats, in violation of the PRN – and to apply inapplicable legislation - will be met with concerted opposition, and yet more embarrassing trips to the High Court.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 22:48:50 GMT
IF c&rt are handed the reins for EA waterways I shall build a trailer and pull our boat out from early autumn to late spring. It will be utterly pointless leaving it on the water during the rainy season. I ‘can relate’ to the sentiment, but for the little it is worth, CaRT would be bound by the relevant legislation affecting the particular EA waterway. CaRT specific legislation will not apply, even if they take over navigation control. I say “for the little it is worth”, because they DO seek to apply their legislation to newly acquired rivers regardless of law. BW inconsistently applied the 1971 Act to the River Brent element of the Grand Union Canal, even though it had no application whatsoever, and there is current dispute over s.8 threats to boaters on the Yorkshire Ouse. That river was transferred from York City Council to British Waterways in 1989/90. No part of it, however, was added to the list of scheduled river waterways, even though the next Act added on the southern part of the Weaver to those. The pleasure boat regulations of the 1971 Act do not, therefore, apply, and yet quite a few boats on that public navigable river were threatened earlier this year for not having an up-to-date pleasure boat certificate. It is going to be an interesting next battle over that. For now, I have advised the protagonists to pay under protest until the Ravenscroft/Dunkley cases are concluded, whereupon should they wish to claim a refund on past fees as the river Brent boaters did, then they could so, and/or run their own challenge should CaRT not prove amenable. CaRT need to be made aware that any transfer to them of any more rivers from the EA, will bind them to the specific relevant legislation, and that any and all attempts to continue their current "mission" of demanding tolls to keep boats, in violation of the PRN – and to apply inapplicable legislation - will be met with concerted opposition, and yet more embarrassing trips to the High Court. I think you may find that part of the deal with the trust taking over ea waterways, is the hope by crt that they can convince the waterways minister to sort this out for them. I wouldn't be surprised to see them point the minister in the direction of yours and Tony's "run ins" in an attempt to sway. I know most of us see the complexity and time in getting new legislation being a bit of a trip hazard, but in this day and age, nothing would surprise me.
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