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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 19:29:38 GMT
There's ONLY unicorns and other fantasy stuff here.
Why not leave Patty alone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 19:31:30 GMT
Which reminds me I have some spare time to watch it again. Free on YouTube in Tamil. I quite like listening to Tamil it seems an interesting language.
Classy film this one. I love it.
(Warning this film contains an incredibly bad script and lots of violent blood shedding by inbred woods-dwelling americans, best watched with the Tamil translation)
It's better than sex.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 15, 2021 20:23:45 GMT
A rare foray into the mix for me with just some general thoughts on the Covid thing.
I've never believed the narrative from the word "Go" when Coronavirus was presented as being akin to the Black Death and a third of people we knew, our friends and loved ones were going to be dead within weeks. I know two people (my brother and my ex-girlfriend) who have had Coronavirus and both fully recovered within a week and said it was just like a bad flu infection. I still don't know anyone who has died from it.
I don't believe face masks do anything. I don't believe social distancing does anything. I do believe that the collateral damage from the lockdowns will cause far more harm than the virus ever will, and as just one example I believe that the lockdowns contributed in large part to the Plymouth shootings this week. But there's also untreated cancer, heart attacks, blah blah blah. We've traded the National Health Service for the National Covid Service.
I don't like the way that any opposition to the Official Narrative is presented as "misinformation" and deleted. This smacks of the 1950s Soviet Union to me. Opposing vaccination is a legitimate viewpoint.
I'm suspicious about "vested interests" when Pfizer predict sales of Covid vaccine will generate revenue of £33.5 Billion in 2021, with the profit margin being in the high 20 per cent.
But generally I just get on with life and do what I have always done. If others have a more cautious approach to life then that's up to them, so long as they don't try to impose their views on me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 20:39:31 GMT
Never mind that rubbish ... are you working tomorrow Mr Stabby ? (yes, I know you've been consistent in your views throughout ... I'm just tired of the whole business) Rog
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Post by JohnV on Aug 15, 2021 20:50:26 GMT
agreement with the U I'm suspicious about "vested interests" when Pfizer predict sales of Covid vaccine will generate revenue of £33.5 Bil I would agree with your suspicions about some drug companies ...... however the majority of the vaccine given in the UK has been Astra Zenica which has a not for profit agreement while the pandemic contimues ........ unlike virtually (if not actually) all the others.
(and just to add for the benefit of the Fox, who never seems to read past headlines, it also mentions a forthcomming publication in the Lancet that indicates the level of side effects from AZ is at a simillar low rate to Pfizer and Modena)
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 15, 2021 20:54:48 GMT
Never mind that rubbish ... are you working tomorrow Mr Stabby ? (yes, I know you've been consistent in your views throughout ... I'm just tired of the whole business) Rog Not working next week as far as I'm aware. If the mob I worked for last year don't have anything coming up then I'll cast my net elsewhere. In fairness, this thread is the legitimate place to discuss Covid, all I object to is Foxy introducing it into other threads where it is completely irrelevant to the topic under discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 21:04:24 GMT
I agree ... I'm happy for him to post his shite on his three covid threads (if nowhere else). But this is thunderboat ... we can wander off track a bit Hope they get in touch pretty soon. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 2:02:44 GMT
@ naughtyfox I have a serious question for you; If you distrust the advice being given to you by medical professionals, for example your doctor. Does this mean that you no longer trust any other advice that they give you? If you distrust their advice about the Covid vaccination, do you also distrust their advice about cancer treatment, needing a hip replacement, or heart related problems etc? Or are they just wrong about the vaccine, but right about all the other stuff? The serious answer is that all of the Covid jabs have not undergone long term practical testing (unlike other treatments you mention). So, hopefully, the NHS are right about the vaccines, but without a time machine, nobody knows yet. It's a question of faith in science.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 16, 2021 7:21:12 GMT
A rare foray into the mix for me with just some general thoughts on the Covid thing. I've never believed the narrative from the word "Go" when Coronavirus was presented as being akin to the Black Death and a third of people we knew, our friends and loved ones were going to be dead within weeks. I know two people (my brother and my ex-girlfriend) who have had Coronavirus and both fully recovered within a week and said it was just like a bad flu infection. I still don't know anyone who has died from it. I don't believe face masks do anything. I don't believe social distancing does anything. I do believe that the collateral damage from the lockdowns will cause far more harm than the virus ever will, and as just one example I believe that the lockdowns contributed in large part to the Plymouth shootings this week. But there's also untreated cancer, heart attacks, blah blah blah. We've traded the National Health Service for the National Covid Service. I don't like the way that any opposition to the Official Narrative is presented as "misinformation" and deleted. This smacks of the 1950s Soviet Union to me. Opposing vaccination is a legitimate viewpoint. I'm suspicious about "vested interests" when Pfizer predict sales of Covid vaccine will generate revenue of £33.5 Billion in 2021, with the profit margin being in the high 20 per cent. But generally I just get on with life and do what I have always done. If others have a more cautious approach to life then that's up to them, so long as they don't try to impose their views on me. Responding to your paras: 2/ some people get it mild, some badly, some die. I know 2 people who had it bad and had after effects (Long covid) that badly affected their lives for 6 months, still are to a lesser extent after over a year. About 1 in 500 died of it so unless you know 500 people it’s not surprising you don’t know someone who died of it. 3/ face masks and social distancing help, but are certainly not perfect. Well that is what the data shows but of course you can believe what you like in the face of the evidence, and after all billions believe in some god/religion so having irrational beliefs puts you with in majority. There is of course collateral damage but the question you haven’t considered is whether this damage would have been worse if there hadn’t been any restrictions. Certainly your point about the national Covid service doesn’t consider how much worse the nhs would have been without restrictions. Imo a cascade failure would have occurred and even less nhs would have been available for non-Covid. 4/ when opposition is based on rational argument it hasn’t been silenced. When based on irrational it has “Bill Gates has put microchips in it”, “it’s magnetic”, Covid is spread by 5G” etc, it has and that is a good thing unless you want an already fairly thick population fed false propaganda (yes propaganda can be unofficial as well as official). 5/ Drug companies, just like other companies, make a profit. Get over it! 20% is not a particularly high margin, it’s normal. As has been said, AZ are not making much if any out of their one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 7:37:08 GMT
I am content for others to believe whatever they wish ... I enjoy folks telling us what they believe and engaging in discussion.
But that's a country mile from bombarding us with their (and others cut n pasted) views and ridiculing anyone who disagrees.
At that point there is no discussion, and most people simply ignore the poster as an unnecessary irritant ... which is a shame on a discussion forum.
It's good when there's a balance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 8:46:14 GMT
When based on irrational it has “Bill Gates has put microchips in it”, “it’s magnetic”, Covid is spread by 5G” etc, ...... an already fairly thick population fed false propaganda (yes propaganda can be unofficial as well as official). Yes, of course there is 'conspiracy nutter' stuff going around - I certainly do not associate myself with the insane. My basic stance is that a lot of fuss has been made over nothing - but then you yourself believe that 'Covid' is a real threat. I see the lockdowns and restrictions to people's freedoms and mental health being of more of an issue - not a threat, as it has already happened. Do you not see the damage that has been done? I would have let the virus get on with whatever it was going to do, treat people who got it properly, and have let the rest of society carry on as normal. Where are the new hospitals Boris promised? Of course, there are the merchants of doom - JohnV for example - who claims the hospitals would have been overwhelmed and everybody in the country would have died horribly. That's just another 'conspiracy theory'. Whatever - the whole country is buggered now thanks to all those who panicked, and you have your third jabs to look forward to. And children to be injected starting next week with absolutely no long-term data on how this will affect them. I think it is thoroughly depressing to go into a supermarket and see everyone wearing face masks. I think it is sick and twisted and the whole country is suffering from a delusion. But there you go, welcome to your 'New Normal'. And since you've had a great deal of experience visiting UK supermarkets lately I can safely conclude you're not talking from your arse as usual.
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Post by mrbeacham on Aug 16, 2021 8:52:02 GMT
When based on irrational it has “Bill Gates has put microchips in it”, “it’s magnetic”, Covid is spread by 5G” etc, ...... an already fairly thick population fed false propaganda (yes propaganda can be unofficial as well as official). Yes, of course there is 'conspiracy nutter' stuff going around - I certainly do not associate myself with the insane. My basic stance is that a lot of fuss has been made over nothing - but then you yourself believe that 'Covid' is a real threat. I see the lockdowns and restrictions to people's freedoms and mental health being of more of an issue - not a threat, as it has already happened. Do you not see the damage that has been done? I would have let the virus get on with whatever it was going to do, treat people who got it properly, and have let the rest of society carry on as normal. Where are the new hospitals Boris promised? Of course, there are the merchants of doom - JohnV for example - who claims the hospitals would have been overwhelmed and everybody in the country would have died horribly. That's just another 'conspiracy theory'. Whatever - the whole country is buggered now thanks to all those who panicked, and you have your third jabs to look forward to. And children to be injected starting next week with absolutely no long-term data on how this will affect them. I think it is thoroughly depressing to go into a supermarket and see everyone wearing face masks. I think it is sick and twisted and the whole country is suffering from a delusion. But there you go, welcome to your 'New Normal'. From what I have read on your three threads, the above is a pack of lies, you certainly do associate yourself with the loony brigade. And as Nemesis says, how would you know what a UK supermarket looks like since Covid, when was the last time you visited a Uk supermarket or in fact the Uk, nearly two years ago? Anyway, lovely day in Sharpness, off to look at a sunken boat on the Trent I fancy adding to the collection.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 9:18:56 GMT
Morning Steve?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 16, 2021 9:22:20 GMT
When based on irrational it has “Bill Gates has put microchips in it”, “it’s magnetic”, Covid is spread by 5G” etc, ...... an already fairly thick population fed false propaganda (yes propaganda can be unofficial as well as official). Yes, of course there is 'conspiracy nutter' stuff going around - I certainly do not associate myself with the insane. My basic stance is that a lot of fuss has been made over nothing - but then you yourself believe that 'Covid' is a real threat. I see the lockdowns and restrictions to people's freedoms and mental health being of more of an issue - not a threat, as it has already happened. Do you not see the damage that has been done? I would have let the virus get on with whatever it was going to do, treat people who got it properly, and have let the rest of society carry on as normal. Where are the new hospitals Boris promised? Of course, there are the merchants of doom - JohnV for example - who claims the hospitals would have been overwhelmed and everybody in the country would have died horribly. That's just another 'conspiracy theory'. Whatever - the whole country is buggered now thanks to all those who panicked, and you have your third jabs to look forward to. And children to be injected starting next week with absolutely no long-term data on how this will affect them. I think it is thoroughly depressing to go into a supermarket and see everyone wearing face masks. I think it is sick and twisted and the whole country is suffering from a delusion. But there you go, welcome to your 'New Normal'. Yes I see the damage that has been done. The question people with your line of thinking don’t consider is “would the damage have been better or worse if no action had been taken? Also worth bearing in mind that nearly every vaguely functional government worldwide has followed a similar path. Bearing in mind that governments of different countries virtually never agree about anything, it seems highly unlikely verging on impossible that this worldwide approach was some sort of conspiracy. Certainly not what Occam’s razor would point you to. “I would have let the virus get on with whatever it was going to do, treat people who got it properly, and have let the rest of society carry on as normal.” That was the original plan. But then it was realised that the NHS was totally and massively under-resourced to be able to do that. You might think that is the fault of the government and you might be right, but it was what it was. That hospitals would have been overwhelmed was not a conspiracy theory, it fell out of some very simple maths, the starting point being that the NHS barely coped even before covid came along. There was very little slack in the system. I think the fuss about face masks is definitely a first world problem for people with nothing better in their lives to get excited about. Wearing a face mask is a very minor inconvenience. If you want major inconvenience, try moving to Afghanistan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 9:30:01 GMT
Getting slightly worried now ... two excellent posts by Telemachus before I've had my breakfast. Rog
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