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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 2, 2021 22:09:16 GMT
Best posted in "The Actual Benefits of Brexit Achieved So Far" thread. Oh silly me, there isn't one cos no Quitlings can come up with any. Pages and pages on analworld and no Quitling can come up with one. Lots of excuses and blaming staunch remainers, poor Higgs being left to fight a lonely rearguard action, the rest of the junta have run away, including Gauleiter Mrsmelly. If I'm wrong, I'd love to see some of the benefits of Brexit so far achieved. I prophesy covid will be used as an excuse. Personal attacks will be de riguer. Anything but facts. Here's two to start you off, destroying the economy means fewer jobs for migrants to aspire to. Turning the country into a wasteland, not even Yemeni refugees will want to seek asylum here. To be fair many who supported 'remain' stated that leaving the EU would be, and I quote, catastrophic. Now then Covid has been a terrible thing, but not catastrophic. Most of the people who were alive before Covid existed are still alive today. It's been a terrible time, tragic, painful for many and repercussions will be long lasting. Catastrophic? nope. If incurring extra costs through additional paperwork is 'catastrophic', I dread to think how any of the many truly catastrophic situations that could come about might be described. Or perhaps I'm being a bit slow...I should realise that anyone who voices an opinion or commentates on anything will naturally vastly over exaggerate at all times, and I should make allowances for this?
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 6:55:25 GMT
Am I the only one with foresight round here. "Anything but facts". Come on JohnV lad, there must be one tangible benefit after 2 whole months. vaccinations That's a reaction to a pandemic, not a tangible benefit of Brexit. Struggling John. Give me a tangible benefit of Brexit. Simple. No wriggling. No waffling. There were lots of promises, vaccines wasn't one. Show me how I am tangibly better off.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 6:58:05 GMT
Best posted in "The Actual Benefits of Brexit Achieved So Far" thread. Oh silly me, there isn't one cos no Quitlings can come up with any. Pages and pages on analworld and no Quitling can come up with one. Lots of excuses and blaming staunch remainers, poor Higgs being left to fight a lonely rearguard action, the rest of the junta have run away, including Gauleiter Mrsmelly. If I'm wrong, I'd love to see some of the benefits of Brexit so far achieved. I prophesy covid will be used as an excuse. Personal attacks will be de riguer. Anything but facts. Here's two to start you off, destroying the economy means fewer jobs for migrants to aspire to. Turning the country into a wasteland, not even Yemeni refugees will want to seek asylum here. To be fair many who supported 'remain' stated that leaving the EU would be, and I quote, catastrophic. Now then Covid has been a terrible thing, but not catastrophic. Most of the people who were alive before Covid existed are still alive today. It's been a terrible time, tragic, painful for many and repercussions will be long lasting. Catastrophic? nope. If incurring extra costs through additional paperwork is 'catastrophic', I dread to think how any of the many truly catastrophic situations that could come about might be described. Or perhaps I'm being a bit slow...I should realise that anyone who voices an opinion or commentates on anything will naturally vastly over exaggerate at all times, and I should make allowances for this? So you can't come up with one either?
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Post by JohnV on Mar 3, 2021 7:22:21 GMT
That's a reaction to a pandemic, not a tangible benefit of Brexit. Struggling John. Give me a tangible benefit of Brexit. Simple. No wriggling. No waffling. There were lots of promises, vaccines wasn't one. Show me how I am tangibly better off. sorry Jim but on that you are so totally wrong !!!
If we had still been under the thumb of the EU, the vaccination levels would mirror the other countries in the EU. It is only the fact that we are no longer in the EU and free of their restraints and monolitic sluggishness that got us to where we are now.
(and I bet you still haven't listened to Yanis yet)
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Post by JohnV on Mar 3, 2021 8:20:53 GMT
I doubt you ever listen to the links I post but I think you really ought to. Your belief in a beneficient EU is somewhat at odds with your apparent support of more socialist ideas. This link is an interview of Yanis Varoufakis on Al Jazeera and as with every one of his talks/interview it is thought provoking. I disagree with some of his conclusions but not many and I always come away from them with a much better understanding of the workings of the world.
Am I the only one with foresight round here. "Anything but facts". Come on JohnV lad, there must be one tangible benefit after 2 whole months. No I think you are the only one wearing a blindfold.
2 things Jim,
No.1 you will not find one single post of mine claiming any great immediate financial benefits from leaving the EU ..... not one !!! ... and I can't think of any other of those of us who thought about this hard who claimed things would be all shiny. In fact most of us said (I know I and a couple of others definitely did) that in the short term things would be tough basically due to the rather nasty, bullying, spitefull attitude that the EU has always shown to any country that questions it.
No.2 A large part of the case for not being in the EU is what the EU actually is. If the EU was an association of like states with aligned goals and economies (much like the Common Market was) rather than the overbearing and monolithic control of the legal system and individual governments without proper oversight by elected members that it has become, then I would not have wanted to leave.
What I wanted to leave was the system. it is corrupt beyond almost anything before. It's centralist, rigorous and one size fits all economic, industrial and social control, is more reminiscent of the old USSR than a modern society.
Do I believe that the benefits in the future will far outweigh any present problems caused by the EU's spitefull attitude ? Yes !!!
and you really ought to listen to Yanis ..... did you know he wanted Britain to stay in the EU ? ....... He came to different conclusions to me but he is a very clear sighted individual with a very deep understanding of how things work.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 3, 2021 8:21:11 GMT
To be fair many who supported 'remain' stated that leaving the EU would be, and I quote, catastrophic. Now then Covid has been a terrible thing, but not catastrophic. Most of the people who were alive before Covid existed are still alive today. It's been a terrible time, tragic, painful for many and repercussions will be long lasting. Catastrophic? nope. If incurring extra costs through additional paperwork is 'catastrophic', I dread to think how any of the many truly catastrophic situations that could come about might be described. Or perhaps I'm being a bit slow...I should realise that anyone who voices an opinion or commentates on anything will naturally vastly over exaggerate at all times, and I should make allowances for this? So you can't come up with one either? A positive? The main one: The free market for ever decreasing wages topped up by benefits at great cost to the tax payer will be rebalanced. No longer will firms be able to freely pick low skilled workers from a vast pool of people with wage expectations that don't match the cost of living in Britain. Instead, firms will need to pay a British market wage, not a market wage that takes into consideration the cost of living in places such as Romania. This will take time of course, many years, a system that took decades to construct can't be deconstructed overnight. This probably won't benefit you personally (nor me) but I would expect that you, as a socialist, would welcome a system that tends towards better wages for lower paid workers, this perhaps trumping the woes of poor business owners, moaning because they are facing some extra costs.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 8:43:28 GMT
Again all waffle, I've not claimed anyone here promised anything, not within your remit. So we have left, great wonders were promised. Ricco witters on about the future, jam tomorrow. Not what I asked about. Still waiting. probably only needs a sentence or two.. go on you can do it.
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Post by ianali on Mar 3, 2021 8:52:22 GMT
Again all waffle, I've not claimed anyone here promised anything, not within your remit. So we have left, great wonders were promised. Ricco witters on about the future, jam tomorrow. Not what I asked about. Still waiting. probably only needs a sentence or two.. go on you can do it. We have more shellfish available here.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 3, 2021 8:56:40 GMT
Again all waffle, I've not claimed anyone here promised anything, not within your remit. So we have left, great wonders were promised. Ricco witters on about the future, jam tomorrow. Not what I asked about. Still waiting. probably only needs a sentence or two.. go on you can do it. Monumental change doesn't come about overnight. You know this. You ask for benefits of leaving the EU, the don't listen to the answers.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 9:13:28 GMT
Again all waffle, I've not claimed anyone here promised anything, not within your remit. So we have left, great wonders were promised. Ricco witters on about the future, jam tomorrow. Not what I asked about. Still waiting. probably only needs a sentence or two.. go on you can do it. Monumental change doesn't come about overnight. You know this. You ask for benefits of leaving the EU, the don't listen to the answers. And you have changed the question to suit your lack of evidence. Tangible benefits so far. Simple. All I see so far it higher cost and closing businesses. There must be something? You keep giving me Jam tomorrow.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 9:14:55 GMT
Again all waffle, I've not claimed anyone here promised anything, not within your remit. So we have left, great wonders were promised. Ricco witters on about the future, jam tomorrow. Not what I asked about. Still waiting. probably only needs a sentence or two.. go on you can do it. We have more shellfish available here. Of course, but on the seabed, cos the fishermen have closed down.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 3, 2021 9:18:40 GMT
Again all waffle, I've not claimed anyone here promised anything, not within your remit. So we have left, great wonders were promised. Ricco witters on about the future, jam tomorrow. Not what I asked about. Still waiting. probably only needs a sentence or two.. go on you can do it. Monumental change doesn't come about overnight. You know this. You ask for benefits of leaving the EU, the don't listen to the answers. Of course he doesn't. Jim is not willing to listen to anybody who doesn't think exactly the same as him.
He claims to be a socialist but doesn't understand the workings of the world, to understand that centralist control of economies, while well intentioned, seem to have always previously ended up by oppressing the poor even further.
The EU has not improved the lot of the "workers" (to use a favourite phrase of the Left) in fact has done exactly the opposite, but Jim is just unable to comprehend.
He doesn't understand how the world and governments work and is not interested in listening to views of those who do know but instead just accepts the blatherings of the metropolitan so called socialists
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Post by ianali on Mar 3, 2021 9:22:45 GMT
We have more shellfish available here. Of course, but on the seabed, cos the fishermen have closed down. I’m ok Jack. Ali likes to SCUBA.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 10:00:38 GMT
Monumental change doesn't come about overnight. You know this. You ask for benefits of leaving the EU, the don't listen to the answers. Of course he doesn't. Jim is not willing to listen to anybody who doesn't think exactly the same as him.
He claims to be a socialist but doesn't understand the workings of the world, to understand that centralist control of economies, while well intentioned, seem to have always previously ended up by oppressing the poor even further.
The EU has not improved the lot of the "workers" (to use a favourite phrase of the Left) in fact has done exactly the opposite, but Jim is just unable to comprehend.
He doesn't understand how the world and governments work and is not interested in listening to views of those who do know but instead just accepts the blatherings of the metropolitan so called socialists
yadayadayada. Tangible benefits of Brexit so far, 2 months in... For hard working families, to quote tory bullshit. I can't ignore what I haven't been told. It's a fair question, not being answered. There must be one, Shirley.
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Post by ianali on Mar 3, 2021 10:07:19 GMT
Of course he doesn't. Jim is not willing to listen to anybody who doesn't think exactly the same as him.
He claims to be a socialist but doesn't understand the workings of the world, to understand that centralist control of economies, while well intentioned, seem to have always previously ended up by oppressing the poor even further.
The EU has not improved the lot of the "workers" (to use a favourite phrase of the Left) in fact has done exactly the opposite, but Jim is just unable to comprehend.
He doesn't understand how the world and governments work and is not interested in listening to views of those who do know but instead just accepts the blatherings of the metropolitan so called socialists
yadayadayada. Tangible benefits of Brexit so far, 2 months in... I can't ignore what I haven't been told. It's a fair question, not being answered. I doubt you will get many, if any, benefits of brexit pointed towards. They don’t seem to be any really. However, like pretty well everything that happens, it will make little difference to the likes of you and me. Like the budget today, little that’s announced will change things for the average man on the street. Even a pandemic hasn’t really changed that much has it? Life just goes on. Some moan, some just crack on with enjoying what they can.
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