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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 3, 2021 10:13:10 GMT
Monumental change doesn't come about overnight. You know this. You ask for benefits of leaving the EU, the don't listen to the answers. And you have changed the question to suit your lack of evidence. Tangible benefits so far. Simple. All I see so far it higher cost and closing businesses. There must be something? You keep giving me Jam tomorrow. Tangible benefit so far: A saving in the 9 billion yearly net payments made to the organisation. So, a saving of 1.5 billion to date.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 10:19:34 GMT
And you have changed the question to suit your lack of evidence. Tangible benefits so far. Simple. All I see so far it higher cost and closing businesses. There must be something? You keep giving me Jam tomorrow. Tangible benefit so far: A saving in the 9 billion yearly net payments made to the organisation. So, a saving of 1.5 billion to date. Another brexit lie😱 The UK Office for Budget Responsibility's estimate of the financial settlement when the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 was £32.9 billion. From 31 January to 31 December 2020, the UK was in a transition period, and continued to contribute to the EU as if it were a member until the end of the transition period, reducing the amount of the financial settlement. From December 2020, the payments accrue twice a year, with the UK estimated to pay £7 billion in 2021 compared to £8 billion in 2020. Please show me the savings. 😱
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 3, 2021 10:19:41 GMT
Monumental change doesn't come about overnight. You know this. You ask for benefits of leaving the EU, the don't listen to the answers. Of course he doesn't. Jim is not willing to listen to anybody who doesn't think exactly the same as him.
He claims to be a socialist but doesn't understand the workings of the world, to understand that centralist control of economies, while well intentioned, seem to have always previously ended up by oppressing the poor even further.
The EU has not improved the lot of the "workers" (to use a favourite phrase of the Left) in fact has done exactly the opposite, but Jim is just unable to comprehend.
He doesn't understand how the world and governments work and is not interested in listening to views of those who do know but instead just accepts the blatherings of the metropolitan so called socialists
I suspect you're right. For example, I don't think Jim understands that printing money in order to perpetuate unaffordable benefits actually benefits the rich, rather than those towards the bottom, who the money is going to. Printing money causes inflation so the poor are no better off but at the same time increases asset values. It's not the poor who own assets. We can see this in the fact that since the start of the pandemic the rich have become richer, and the poor have got poorer, directly as a result of the money presses. I wouldn't expect Jim to try to understand this, he prefers to take a more basic approach i.e. it's wrong to do anything but throw as much money as possible at poorer people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 10:21:13 GMT
In or out I guess, despite all we were told, there's little noticeable difference at present ... in case you haven't noticed there's been a pandemic .
But one minor change I am happy with ... there is a greater focus on UK news stories and much less mainland Europe stories.
And if you're going to ignore the one MAJOR difference ... over 20 million vaccinated with their first jab of vaccines the EU were three months behind ordering, approving, and administering ... there's little point to the discussion really.
I voted remain largely because of the warnings of financial ruin and chaos if we left ... clearly that was just hysteria ... life goes on in or out it seems ... time will tell.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 10:33:48 GMT
And you have changed the question to suit your lack of evidence. Tangible benefits so far. Simple. All I see so far it higher cost and closing businesses. There must be something? You keep giving me Jam tomorrow. Tangible benefit so far: A saving in the 9 billion yearly net payments made to the organisation. So, a saving of 1.5 billion to date. What's the net gain? Grants etc we received from the eu will have stopped, CAP payments to farmers etc. Where has the net surplus gone, presuming there was one. Where does the little man benefit. He is only seeing increases, not a tangible benefit in his pocket. The promised cake with jam and lashings of cream that we could eat as well as hold, is only to be seen down the fronts of Bozzer's mates at a packed ppe products party.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 3, 2021 10:38:04 GMT
Tangible benefit so far: A saving in the 9 billion yearly net payments made to the organisation. So, a saving of 1.5 billion to date. What's the net gain? Grants etc we received from the eu will have stopped, CAP payments to farmers etc. Where has the net surplus gone, presuming there was one. Where does the little man benefit. He is only seeing increases, not a tangible benefit in his pocket. The promised cake with jam and lashings of cream that we could eat as well as hold, is only to be seen down the fronts of Bozzer's mates at a packed ppe products party. Sometimes I wish I had an equally simplistic outlook as regards the machinations of politics and life.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 13:18:50 GMT
What's the net gain? Grants etc we received from the eu will have stopped, CAP payments to farmers etc. Where has the net surplus gone, presuming there was one. Where does the little man benefit. He is only seeing increases, not a tangible benefit in his pocket. The promised cake with jam and lashings of cream that we could eat as well as hold, is only to be seen down the fronts of Bozzer's mates at a packed ppe products party. Sometimes I wish I had an equally simplistic outlook as regards the machinations of politics and life. I'm only asking for an update on the "simplistic promises" spun to garner votes. People get upset if I'm honest and call them lies.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 3, 2021 14:51:48 GMT
Tangible benefit so far: A saving in the 9 billion yearly net payments made to the organisation. So, a saving of 1.5 billion to date. What's the net gain? Grants etc we received from the eu will have stopped, CAP payments to farmers etc. Where has the net surplus gone, presuming there was one. Where does the little man benefit. He is only seeing increases, not a tangible benefit in his pocket. The promised cake with jam and lashings of cream that we could eat as well as hold, is only to be seen down the fronts of Bozzer's mates at a packed ppe products party. I can't believe you are really that dense Jim. Where the hell do you think the EU got that money? the money paid out to the UK by the EU was just a percentage of the money we had paid in the rest supported the edifice
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Post by JohnV on Mar 3, 2021 15:38:57 GMT
Of course he doesn't. Jim is not willing to listen to anybody who doesn't think exactly the same as him.
He claims to be a socialist but doesn't understand the workings of the world, to understand that centralist control of economies, while well intentioned, seem to have always previously ended up by oppressing the poor even further.
The EU has not improved the lot of the "workers" (to use a favourite phrase of the Left) in fact has done exactly the opposite, but Jim is just unable to comprehend.
He doesn't understand how the world and governments work and is not interested in listening to views of those who do know but instead just accepts the blatherings of the metropolitan so called socialists
yadayadayada. Tangible benefits of Brexit so far, 2 months in... For hard working families, to quote tory bullshit. I can't ignore what I haven't been told. It's a fair question, not being answered. There must be one, Shirley. Oh look Jim !!! another early one (see red diesel thread)
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 3, 2021 15:40:43 GMT
Sometimes I wish I had an equally simplistic outlook as regards the machinations of politics and life. I'm only asking for an update on the "simplistic promises" spun to garner votes. People get upset if I'm honest and call them lies. They were indeed lies, as was all the talk from the other side of imploding economies, catastrophes, starving Brits with no access to medicines and further world wars.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 3, 2021 15:42:37 GMT
What's the net gain? Grants etc we received from the eu will have stopped, CAP payments to farmers etc. Where has the net surplus gone, presuming there was one. Where does the little man benefit. He is only seeing increases, not a tangible benefit in his pocket. The promised cake with jam and lashings of cream that we could eat as well as hold, is only to be seen down the fronts of Bozzer's mates at a packed ppe products party. I can't believe you are really that dense Jim. Where the hell do you think the EU got that money? the money paid out to the UK by the EU was just a percentage of the money we had paid in the rest supported the edifice Indeed. In simple terms, for Jim's benefit, the EU paid out to Britain around one third of the money received from it.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 3, 2021 17:09:50 GMT
Yes, they are going to keep rolling out new variants and yes they are going to keep lockdown in place for as long as possible but the problem I envisage is that so many people have seen through this now that there is likely to be very serious civil disobedience if it continues into the Summer. Especially now many people have rushed out and booked uk holidays. Will be good for the economy and getting people back in pubs for the euros is good too.
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Post by Jim on Mar 3, 2021 17:45:54 GMT
yadayadayada. Tangible benefits of Brexit so far, 2 months in... For hard working families, to quote tory bullshit. I can't ignore what I haven't been told. It's a fair question, not being answered. There must be one, Shirley. Oh look Jim !!! another early one (see red diesel thread) fair enough, for the few that benefit. But hardly extra money in pocket, just less out, its not a change really,just maintaining the status quo. Is that the best you can do?
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Post by JohnV on Mar 3, 2021 19:38:32 GMT
Oh look Jim !!! another early one (see red diesel thread) fair enough, for the few that benefit. But hardly extra money in pocket, just less out, its not a change really,just maintaining the status quo. Is that the best you can do? If we had still been in the EU, we would not have been allowed to continue the status quo .......(in spite of the fact that for this country such a further change was nonsensical and would have actually reduced the amount of money going into the treasury)
but anyway Jim you were shouting the odds about Brexit saying there were no benefits yet .... we have been saying it will be slow but even so there have been two given to you .....and you are now trying to wriggle.
Come back in 5 or 6 years and then there will be comparisons to be made ..... and maybe by that time there may just be the first signs that the Labour party isn't totally defunct and is starting to re-invent itself.
until then Jim you are just wasting breath ...... why not finally accept the fact "The UK is no longer a member of the EU"
edit to add have you listened to Yanis Varoufakis yet ? you really should it might open your eyes (and no, he is not right wing and no, he was not pro Brexit )
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Post by Jim on Mar 4, 2021 9:06:29 GMT
John, I have accepted the fact, No choice. Not shouting the odds. Just simply asking if anyone has seen any tangible benefit yet, all I see is increased costs and delays. I ordered a car part for a neighbour, turns out it was a german company, but cheap. It's now delayed at customs, won't arrive till early next week. He's wittering on about delays caused by migrants, I have pointed out that it's his own fault for voting to quit and for voting for bozzer in the hope that he would get the best deal ever. The other irony, he witters on about migrants yet his Mum is Maltese. No wonder he's cross.
So, as I said in the initial post, there would be nothing but waffle and tripe, no tangible benefits for our hard working populace. As for wasting breath, you've been giving me reams of excuses. Why not finally accept the fact "You believed the lies."
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