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Post by JohnV on Mar 6, 2021 12:26:39 GMT
fuck off Jim, the rest of us are trying to talk sensibly
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 12:27:09 GMT
I wonder if rebranding the NHS would work?
Perhaps call it "NHS2". That might get the funding sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 12:44:03 GMT
I consider many people consider frontline NHS nursing staff deserve a substantial (I guess they'll eventually get about 3%) pay rise.
Other issues ... what abouts ... what ifs ... etc. etc. are just diversions from the basic principal that does nursing deserve to be properly rewarded?
That doesn't mean other groups are not worthy of greater reward ... just that the specific issue is front line NHS staff.
I understand some oppose the idea but in the current climate of financial largesse and massive national debt it is a drop in an ocean of money, much of which can be argued to have been misspent anyway.
We shall see ... but I still suggest Boris will seek to buy votes by 'coming to the rescue ' of nurses and upping their pay deal to around 3%
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 12:48:02 GMT
I consider many people consider frontline NHS nursing staff deserve a substantial (I guess they'll eventually get about 3%) pay rise. Other issues ... what abouts ... what ifs ... etc. etc. are just diversions from the basic principal that nursing deserves to be properly rewarded. That doesn't mean other groups are not worthy of greater reward ... just that the specific issue is front line NHS staff. I understand some oppose the idea but in the current climate of financial largesse and massive national debt it is a drop in an ocean of money, much of which can be argued to have been misspent anyway. We shall see ... but I still suggest Boris will seek to buy votes by 'coming to the rescue ' of nurses and upping their pay deal to around 3% Rog Which is exactly why the furore was created - Boris comes to the rescue again. My bet is on 2% + a one off small bonus.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 6, 2021 13:24:49 GMT
I consider many people consider frontline NHS nursing staff deserve a substantial (I guess they'll eventually get about 3%) pay rise. Other issues ... what abouts ... what ifs ... etc. etc. are just diversions from the basic principal that does nursing deserve to be properly rewarded? That doesn't mean other groups are not worthy of greater reward ... just that the specific issue is front line NHS staff. I understand some oppose the idea but in the current climate of financial largesse and massive national debt it is a drop in an ocean of money, much of which can be argued to have been misspent anyway. We shall see ... but I still suggest Boris will seek to buy votes by 'coming to the rescue ' of nurses and upping their pay deal to around 3% Rog The call for higher pay for nurses is a regular one, certainly not limited to this time. A significant proportion of British workers receive the minimum wage. An average nurse earns more than twice the average wage. Nurses get 28 days holiday compared to many, who receive 20. Nurses receive full sick pay unlike many, who are limited to statutory sick pay of little more than £90 a week. Nurses receive 'gold plated' final scheme pensions, last seen in the private sector in the 90's. Any nurses made redundant receive one month of salary for each year worked. This compares to the one week statutory period. It's worth bearing these things in mind, before deciding whether nurses are underpaid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 13:28:11 GMT
Just done a quick bit of internet research.
In Australia, the average nurse's salary is £36,000 which is somewhat more than an experienced nurse's salary in the UK which is about £30,000. But in the U.S.A, a nurse receives on average £46,500.
Overtime in the USA and Australia is extra. In the USA its worth around another £7000 or so. But I just bet that NHS overtime pay rules make interesting reading.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 13:35:46 GMT
Sometimes the basic salary doesn't say everything...
What about the cost of covering shortages of staff...
I know a highly qualified nurse from 'abroad' Guearnsey to be exact - if short of money, come over to the mainland for a long weekend, shift pattern allowing and get paid almost consultant wages...
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Post by JohnV on Mar 6, 2021 13:38:58 GMT
Just done a quick bit of internet research. In Australia, the average nurse's salary is £36,000 which is somewhat more than an experienced nurse's salary in the UK which is about £30,000. But in the U.S.A, a nurse receives on average £46,500. Overtime in the USA and Australia is extra. In the USA its worth around another £7000 or so. But I just bet that NHS overtime pay rules make interesting reading. I'm not sure you should take any notice of the pay in the USA ........ The system over there is skewed in some very strange ways, it after all has the most expensive health care per capita in the world yet still manages not to cover a very sizeable proportion of its population (another thing when looking at any jobs in the States ..... the amount of paid holiday per year is tiny compared with the UK)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 13:44:44 GMT
Just done a quick bit of internet research. In Australia, the average nurse's salary is £36,000 which is somewhat more than an experienced nurse's salary in the UK which is about £30,000. But in the U.S.A, a nurse receives on average £46,500. Overtime in the USA and Australia is extra. In the USA its worth around another £7000 or so. But I just bet that NHS overtime pay rules make interesting reading. I'm not sure you should take any notice of the pay in the USA ........ The system over there is skewed in some very strange ways, it after all has the most expensive health care per capita in the world yet still manages not to cover a very sizeable proportion of its population (another thing when looking at any jobs in the States ..... the amount of paid holiday per year is tiny compared with the UK) It still comes out way ahead, even if there was no paid holiday at all. And I believe we are discussing wages, not socio-economic systems.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 6, 2021 14:02:43 GMT
I'm not sure you should take any notice of the pay in the USA ........ The system over there is skewed in some very strange ways, it after all has the most expensive health care per capita in the world yet still manages not to cover a very sizeable proportion of its population (another thing when looking at any jobs in the States ..... the amount of paid holiday per year is tiny compared with the UK) It still comes out way ahead, even if there was no paid holiday at all. And I believe we are discussing wages, not socio-economic systems. there is no way comparative wages could be paid with the USA, there just isn't enough money to finance it ...... even Jim and his cronies couldn't make that one fly........
the per capita cost of health care in the USA is about 200% of that of the average of Germany, France, Switzerland, Sweden et al.
I think that says it all ...... wages in the USA don't count in any realistic way.
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Post by ianali on Mar 6, 2021 14:04:26 GMT
I doubt anyone would argue against a decent bonus for the staff that have worked on the covid wards. Separating this, I’d say Nurses and Doctors are adequately recompensed when taking into account wages and very generous benefits(pension, sick pay, holidays) comparative to the level of skills required for their jobs. Can’t see how any bonus can be applied to only selected staff though.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 6, 2021 16:02:38 GMT
£3.50 pay rise? bollocks. That would assume an average wage of £18K, just above minimum wage. My guess is that nurses, on average, not forgetting that there are different grades for nurses, is more than double this. Naturally though, thickos and the far left will take it as being gospel.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 6, 2021 19:17:41 GMT
I must admit I watched it on the news and they interviewed some Dame professor and the stand out comment was they deserve it because they worked throughout lockdown. Well so did I and millions of others I expect. Where's my bonus and 12% payrise. Must admit we did get a 3% one in feb but that was last years. It was backdated for a year which was nice. if we can another 3% for this years that will be over a grand extra over last year and we did get 70 quid to spend in the coop with 50% discount on coop lines before Xmas. Maybe we should offer the nurses that too. If you have the time to write all that you're obviously not working hard enough. Lunch break. About the only part of that day I get to sit, chill and catch up on here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 21:45:41 GMT
My nurse says it’s a vocation above all else.
She had this to day about the Covid badges too.
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Post by bodger on Mar 7, 2021 11:32:13 GMT
whatever happened to standards of dress for high level executives?
Most of the presenters and interviewees on TV cannot knot their tie properly, and some of them think it is appropriate to wear a conventional shirt buttoned up to the neck without a tie. Better to wear it without a tie and open-necked.
At least the health secretary can fasten his tie, but it looks like he bought his shirt at Primark.
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